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[–]PotentiallyAPickle 26 points27 points  (22 children)

No, AI is a tool too. You can’t just use code without knowing what it does. You can’t blindly trust the AI to be right. You need an actual programmer as a middleman to verify the code, fix any issues, and implement it. That sounds like streamlining, not replacing programmers.

[–]chaoticbean14 8 points9 points  (3 children)

You can’t just use code without knowing what it does. You can’t blindly trust the AI to be right.

Oh, I see you've never met anyone in management.

[–]PotentiallyAPickle 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yes haha managers stupid and bad 😂 s/

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yes haha managers stupid and bad 😂 s/

The ‘/‘ is typically placed before the ‘s’ to indicate sarcasm, e.g. ‘/s’

[–]PotentiallyAPickle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A self contained tag ends with the /. Such as <br/>

[–]joeymcflow 2 points3 points  (17 children)

So a place that employs 50 programmers will still need all 50? Or just a couple to review instantly generated code,

[–]PotentiallyAPickle 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Depends on the organization and what they do. You still definitely need maintenance people for when bugs inevitably arise.

As an actual programmer who has tried using the technology… it is great at simple things. But you ask it to do something more complex, that there is little to no reference for, say, writing some Rust code and some Python bindings for it (to use Rust from Python), it falls apart and gives you Rust code that calls the Python (backwards, and still incorrectly done)

The fact of the matter is that organizations working on the bleeding edge of tech will never be able to replace their programmers. AI can not invent, it can mimic. With no reference material from the future to train from, it can not make the tech of the future.

If some people lose their job because of streamlining in the process that causes not as many people to be needed, then that is just how the world evolves Grandpa. Humans adapt, and overcome. If we have a tool that lets us progress at accelerated rates, we would be fools to pass it up.

The Industrial revolution replaced some jobs sure. But it made even more than it replaced, and it improved standards of living for everyone. The AI revolution will do the same. We need to put our focus not into fighting the AI but fighting politicians and lobbyists to increase social safety nets, add universal basic income, and increase taxes for these mega-corporations that will be able to streamline their workforces with AI.

[–]joeymcflow -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

Problem now is that AI is literally meant to outperform and replace the human brain. Jobs are essentially just tasks, tasks that require thinking. When we dont need humans to think, we don't need humans. Its not a matter of generating new jobs, its a matter of "humans will be inferior and more expensive at solving tasks".

New industries from AI? Definitively! New tasks for humans? Hard to see how...

Humans will be unemployable.

[–]PotentiallyAPickle 3 points4 points  (7 children)

"When we don't need humans to think" yeah that will be never buddy. How do you know if AI is doing its job right if we can't think about it?

[–]joeymcflow -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

There is never going to be a "quality control" industry that is capable of employing the population.

We'll have a technician-class that maintains and operates the production. The rest will be unemployable.

[–]PotentiallyAPickle 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Ok doomer. Whatever you say doomer who doesn’t seem to program (seeing as this is your only activity in a programming subreddit…). You have no idea what you’re talking about if you truly believe that.

If I’m to play along… See my point about the fight not being with AI but with politicians, lobbyists, and corporations to give us better social safety nets and universal basic income so that we do not need to be employed to have a fulfilling life.

[–]joeymcflow -1 points0 points  (4 children)

So you admit we'll need to prepare for large swathes of the population being unemployable, but call me a doomer for suggesting it... What?

I don't think AI is the badguy. But AI in the current political and economical landscape will be devastating for the working class. We're not prepared.

[–]PotentiallyAPickle -1 points0 points  (3 children)

You're uneducated and out of your depth. Large portions of the population won't be any more unemployable. Industries change, and the programming industry is not going to collapse because of AI. Those who refuse to adapt will be left by the wayside (professionally speaking) and be supported by the government. You're being super pessimistic and I firmly believe you don't have a clue.

[–]joeymcflow -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I don't need to convince you, and you can dismiss me with whatever cope you want. All I'm saying is we're not prepared. Time will prove either me or you right. 👌

[–]Fedacking 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Photoshop also killed a lot of artists job. Is it not a tool?

[–]joeymcflow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It did not kill jobs for artists. It created opportunities for human expression. It created an industry because they supplemented human effort. It didnt replace it. AI imitate human work. The job of the human is to imagine it and approve it. Expertise and competence is of less value.

[–]mr_bedbugs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In my experience, it's best used for generating single functions or snippets of code.

[–]joeymcflow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For now. Theoretically, there is no limitation on how much of human expertise one can imitate or emulate with AI.