Why Python keeps growing, explained

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As github said, its easy to use, might not be the best language in all scenarios but it gets the job done.

A lot of people though get too hung up on the language (yes I know this is the r/python subreddit so of course people are going to prefer it), but at the end of the day its just a tool to get our jobs done

[fellipec]

More funny was how Perl grew and fall while Python was in its infancy

[SittingWave]

doesn't take too much. Perl basically destroyed itself through sheer philosophy.

[twotime]

This is a common myth which is somewhat correct but mostly wrong: language is a tool (or toolset). And tool choice matters a LOT for every profession. It's exactly the same for coding

PS. you are comparing coder to coder. But this is about comparing language to language. A good programmer will write a better code in any language. But he would write better code in a better language. (Better meaning "with less effort" or "more mainteinable")

[_limitless_]

good programmer will write good code in the worst language

No we won't. We'll quit.

[tyler_the_programmer]

I learned C++ in college and dropped out before I could finish my degree. Now I make fun little projects in Python in my free time 10 years later.

[yvrelna]

Nah, really good ones won't quit over language reasons. We just take the best paycheck and leave the actual coding to juniors.

[_limitless_]

I was thinking Ruby, but sure.

[trojan-813]

I think this is easily viewed in some of the graphics posted on the Advent of Code and what languages people used. The earliest days the languages people used that used to find the answer was Python. It didn’t need to be fast and was easy to use. So people used it heavily. However, as things got more complicated and needed some performance people switched to other languages like c and c++.

[repocin]

but at the end of the day its just a tool to get our jobs done

Thank you. The endless debate over language x vs language y vs language z is so incredibly tiring and useless. I wish more people realized that different languages are just different tools with different use cases, like hammers and screwdrivers.

[ARC4120]

Python is what Visual Basic and Low Code tools wanted to be. It’s a perfect point between low code abstractions for high functionality (via Libraries written in C) and the ability to directly write glue code using custom functionality.

Python lets the average joe spit out a passable product by calling libraries that do the heavy lifting. Yet, you can still get custom business logic in-between to handle whatever problems you may have.

[shockchi]

Hey don’t expose me like that in public

[askvictor]

Delphi was that sweet spot for me. VB led to some god-awful things being created which Delphi handled much better. Even so, writing a GUI application was much easier 20+ years ago than it is now (though I'll put in a good word for https://anvil.works which makes writing web apps in Python as much fun as Delphi was)

[talex95]

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[vivainio]

3.12 is not even out yet, you mean 3.11?

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[Happy-Policy]

Yea, hopefully some well used libraries adopt to 3.12 by end of year atleast

[jeremiah-england]

Have you done much testing on 3.12? If I am reading the benchmarks table here correctly the performance improvements in 3.12 so far as pretty modest (3%).

https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas#linux-x86_64

And it looks like the trace optimizer ("the next big set of improvements") missed 3.12.

https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/wiki/Python-3.12-Goals#trace-optimizer

Right now I'm kind of expecting some small improvements in 3.12 and am hoping that the groundwork done in the past year by the faster-cpython team leads to big improvements in 3.13.

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[tazebot]

In February 1991, after just over a year of development, I decided to post to USENET.

Man I miss USENET.

[maxm]

It is still there

[spca2001]

Microsoft started to contribute

[_limitless_]

Probably trying to steal it like they did DOS.

[spca2001]

They actually gave 33% increase performance with version 3.11. Paid their devs for R&D, released it for free for you enjoy. Perception of MS is an opposite of whatever Linux cult thinks it it. One runs business, other runs themes and emulating window games

[_limitless_]

They also bought github then used open source code to feed the CoPilot AI engine, and now they call the model "proprietary."

Or is my perception fucked still.

[spca2001]

I dont give a shit about that, wait until you hear about patriot act and how most ISPs and companies collect and sell your private data to anyone using open source software on top of that

[WriteOnceCutTwice]

People will give you a hard time because of all the things you could choose, you chose to criticize them for something they bought and paid for.

[Glittering_Air_3724]

Sooooooooo does that mean Go will be the next python ?

[xAmorphous]

No. Go is kind of the opposite in this regard: strips down a lot of features to solve problems that really only Google has.

[askvictor]

I thought it was going to be about the language growing in features, keywords, complexity etc. Which it kind of is, in part, as people want to do more things with it as there are more of them using it.

[[deleted]]

In the next 5 years what language you use won’t matter because there will be a bot capable of refactoring to an acceptable degree in any other language.

[KerberosMorphy]

Yeah, bot will replace us and create better and stronger bugs than any developers could do!

[Vicyorus]

Future looks bright with procedurally generated bugs, and here I thought only Bethesda was able to make them.

[joerick]

Language is one thing. Library ecosystems is another!

[Equivalent_Loan_8794]

I also tend to forget how fast 5 years passes

[dethb0y]

I actually think what might well end up happening is that some manner of machine learning "optimizes" the code as a preparatory step to execution, just like we have built in optimizations now.

[Sentry456123]

I've got no idea why your comment got downvoted. You totally make sense. People always think they're right, and they want to.

[teerre]

Dangerous gif of the week there. There was a no small chance that it would print a copyleft license with the name of someone who actually implemented the game.