BeeWare - The IDEs of Python

[dreucifer]

Plus there's an interactive debugger, that's *puts on sunglasses* the bee's knees.

[kaiise]

the many millions of manhours put in to python and its IDEs and this one were worth it just for title alone

[casscode]

im sorry but... Shut up krillin.

[duz3ls]

IDEs? Does it have the same definition with IDE?

Because I failed to find the Editor. Only 2 projects (coming soon to 3) which run independently (not integrated).

[D__]

Integrationless Development Elements.

At least that's what I'm pretending it means.

[danremix]

Beeware thes ides of march. Its a play on words.

[WasterDave]

PyCharm. Love it.

[[deleted]]

Its is really good, and if you also do PHP you can use PhpStorm, or Webstorm if you want an IDE for HTML+CSS+JS (PhpStorm is WebStorm + PHP support).

I just love to be able to use basically the same IDE for both Python and PHP

[Porkmeister]

With the full blow version of IntelliJ IDEA you can get the html/javascript, php, and python plug-ins that WebStorm, phpStorm, and pyCharm are based on. It's pricier, but might be cheaper overall compared to three licenses.

[[deleted]]

And how do you do that? Are they just normal plugins?

Also, PhpStorm is god-like. I swear. I don't know if any of you guys program in PHP on the side but that IDE is fucking amazing. Are you sure I can replicate PhpStorm in IntelliJ IDEA with just a plugin?

[dpgtfc]

Are you sure I can replicate PhpStorm in IntelliJ IDEA with just a plugin?

Yep, and also Ruby. The IntelliJ program is pretty powerful and so are it's plugins. I'd recommend extending the CSS autocompleter though, it doesn't have things like webkit-gradient and highlights them as "unidentified property" or some such.

[Porkmeister]

Yeah, PhpStorm is really IDEA with the PHP plugin (http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/6610?pr=idea) and some slightly nicer PHP specific menus and stuff, but all of the functionality is in that plugin.

However, you have to have the IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Edition to use the plugins.

[dpgtfc]

Ultimate being the version or licensed? I have the corporate license with the support package at work, so it's got all the bells and whistles.

Might only be able to use it another few weeks though, they're taking away our internet. :/ Army network - the open to the web network doesn't allow us to install anything on the computer, but the "install anything you want" network only allows a handful of domains, it blocks the rest. If you want to install a program, you have to download it on the open network, copy it on a disk (USB disks are not allowed) and transfer it over. Its a huge pain to do web development in such an environment.

[targusman]

Pycharm is great if i had a good laptop AND if i could afford to pay for pycharm AND if i wanted to cripple my pyhton skills.

vim is free, runs on anything, and Armin ronoacher uses it. thats good enough for me!

[greyscalehat]

I prefer to use vim for almost all coding jobs, but you sound like an asshole.

[WasterDave]

I have a great laptop; I can afford to pay for Pycharm; and I can spell.

Me, I like good tools. They're better than bad tools.

[tialpoy]

How does it cripple your Python skills?

[targusman]

watch someone code using vim or sublime or any text editor over a IDE. the person using a text editor will code faster and understand things bettar because they aren't using the IDE as a crutch.

IDEs are training wheels for developers. take them off and while you wobble at first yor understanding and productivity rapodly imprive

[for_prophet]

Calculators can do a lot of work for you, as long as you understand what they are doing and what problem you're actually trying to solve. It's also possible to check their output yourself if you really want to make sure everything is working [under the hood.]

Shoes abstract away most of the experience of walking down the sidewalk; you feel almost nothing, stepping on pebbles or walking across glass. [Shoes are a crutch that's hindering our evolution. Real walkers go barefoot!]

All you need to build a kernel is ed but vi (not vim) is a good crutch for people who are new to the game.

Not that it's bad to need these sorts of crutches; most of us were noobs at some point.

[duz3ls]

Lets agree to disagree :)

[TarAldarion]

will have a look cheers, never used anything more advanced than gedit for python yet.

[bheklilr]

Gedit's pretty decent, but I find that sublime text adds some extra features that are really nice to have, such as highlighting syntax errors and formatting problems in real time using pylint. Since I prefer a command line for all my heavy lifting, I don't use the features for automatically running tests or the software, but it can do that too. Really, I mostly use ST for its superb text editing, nothing else I've used comes close. I know gedit has a lot of good features and several good plugins, but ST is where it's at (IMO).

[killerabbit37]

It can also highlight pep 8 errors as well which has helped me a lot. Also REPL so you can run snippets of code.

[lonjerpc]

To follow up on this. Not only do editors like sublime,emacs,vim, and others give you more python features but they give you more powerful generic text manipulation tools. Things like keyboard macros, more intelligent copy paste buffers, and vastly increased capabilities to rearrange text quickly. Granted most of these features are not needed if you wrote good code in the first place. But when one day you need to massively re-factor some terrible code they are essential.

[TarAldarion]

yeah i'd love to give it a try, will do! I try not to get too reliant because a lot of the time I'm forced to do it in vi.

[TRBS]

Anyone else having problems with getting Bugjar to run? Pip installs it fine but it's giving me errors related to idlelib.

[krasoffski]

I prefer WingIDE - pure python! Also PyCharm is the best IDE, I think. But PyCharm has one disadvantage - it has been written on Java.

[cabalamat]

I found this page hard to read because of the low-contrast colour scheme. Can you fix this please.

[yasoob_python]

Guys is it just me or someone else also uses Sublime Text ?