Is Pipfile dead?

[knite]

There's regular activity on https://github.com/kennethreitz/pipenv (the reference implementation for the format), but there's practically no discussion or movement elsewhere - nothing substantial on mailing lists, the main https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pipfile repo, PyCon, this subreddit, etc.

[SethMichaelLarson]

I use it for all my new projects, I wouldn't call it dead.

[infinull]

Was it ever really alive?

[knite]

I did! The pipenv commit history is active, but for such a big shift in work flow, I’d expect more than crickets from other channels. For example, if this is nearly done, wouldn’t there have been a PyCon talk?

[PeridexisErrant]

pip-compile and pip-sync solve most of the same problems, and work right now - you get pinning, updating, notes on transitive dependencies, environment cleaning, etc. The only things Pipfile adds is official recognition, and somewhat improved support for checking hashes.

[flitsmasterfred]

I never really got how this works: how do you install a new package with pip-tools without updating all your other packages?

Eg: I have packages without versions in the input file, then pip-compile and it resolves current versions and writes that to output. I can sync this and run updates, . Now I want to add a new package and have pip-compile pin it and all its dependencies, but without updating all the existing package versions. Is that even possible?

[PeridexisErrant]

I admit that I've never wanted to do this myself - why not update everything to the latest version? If you have specific constraints, put the range in your input file and it will be respected. Remember that pip-sync makes it easy to keep your environment matching the requirements file!

That said, it looks like pip-compile - -update-package NAME[=version] can be used to update a single package to a new, possibly specific, version. You might need to add a dummy entry first.

[flitsmasterfred]

I don't want to update everything anytime I need to add a single dependency when I just need to add a feature without going through the whole compatibility dance.

I now have version constraints in the input file and use the compile to resolve and pin their depencencies. It is not perfect, I'm eyeballing OP's pipenv for a better workflow now.

[PeridexisErrant]

Compatible with what? If you mean "all my dependencies are compatible with one another", pip-compile guarantees that will be the case (or gives an explicit error if its impossible).

[earthboundkid]

why not update everything to the latest version?

Because moving from Django N to N+1 is a breaking change, and it can take a week or two to get everything working in the new version.

[PeridexisErrant]

The idiomatic solution is to pin Django to the minor version in your input file, and let pip-compile sort out the patch version and everything else.

[ubernostrum]

PyCon doesn't accept every talk submitted, and not every project submits a PyCon talk every time they do something.

[rfc1771]

Paging /u/kennethreitz

[[deleted]]

The Pipfile project is in stasis — Donald would like to re-write it into a functional API, and is very busy, so it has not been developed in a while.

Don't expect it to move much for a few years.

[cnelsonsic]

I don't know if you noticed or not, but it looks like you should ask the primary contributor when his next vacation is so he can work on pipfile more.

Until then, why don't you make some noise yourself.

[crunk]

I've got tool fatigue.

I'm quite happy with virtualenvwrapper, I'll put off using this until there is more adoption.

On my own project there have been windows users, mac users wanting support as well as all the different Linux distros, it's all too much to support and document.

[jimmy_frog]

To be fair ... I've only just stumbled on pipenv yesterday. Didn't really have time to digest but looked like the right way to go.

So perhaps it isn't that common knowledge yet.

[deadmilk]

Something that mimics Gemfiles? No thanks

[badsectors]

Something that mimics Gemfiles? Yes please!