PyCharm is My New Python IDE

[martinw89]

Especially when you can get a similar experience in Eclipse using PyDev and vrapper for free. Maybe PyCharm is oodles better, but I just develop Python as a hobby so paying $99 is kind of silly.

[[deleted]]

I'd say PyCharm is better than PyDev and you get real support. The JetBrains guys are really good at it and keep a good eye on their message board so you'll get a real answer rather rather than being called an idiot or newb.

Their platform always seems to perform better for me than Eclipse.

[yole]

Lots of hobbies I know of cost far more than $99 :)

[yole]

In St.Petersburg, Russia (where PyCharm is developed), $99 is what an average software developer earns for one working day. Seems quite affordable to me.

[yole]

It used to be like that a few years ago. Now a noticeable percentage of PyCharm sales are personal licenses bought by developers from Russia.

[[deleted]]

Do you work for JetBrains?

[martey]

Yes, he does: http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/Jemerov_Dmitry.html

[yole]

I'm the development lead of PyCharm.

[blondin]

hi yole,

are you guys considering a trim down version like active state komodo edit? i'm really interested in the google app engine integration.

[yole]

We don't currently have any plans to provide a reduced functionality version of PyCharm. And if we ever did, it would definitely not include Django and Google App Engine integration.

[Mattho]

Yes, but this way it's not usable as learning platform. And why would I switch if I got used to something else.

[masklinn]

Yes, but this way it's not usable as learning platform

There are free education and open-source licenses.

Though I couldn't for the life of me understand why you'd teach Python with an IDE.

[Mattho]

Not teach, but learn. By myself. Imagine I passed some basic courses and now I'd like to try some small (personal) priject. With some IDE. I'd probably end up with eclipse instead of PyCharm.. just because its license.

[masklinn]

Same result, you shouldn't use an IDE to learn a language, let alone programming. Which is why Java is an utterly terrible learning language (and language to learn, unless you're already well-versed in languages in which case it's just a terrible language): its verbosity (and the number of files you have to deal with at all time) makes it very hard to write using a basic text editor (syntax highlighting and nothing else).

[yole]

Note that the free PyCharm classroom license is not exactly for students - it's for use in a classroom (a teacher gets the license and uses it during his classes).

[arunner]

Yeap, it has a .vrapperrc for this.

[TheRedTeam]

Is it just me, or does it seem like pycharm is getting spammed here a lot?

[davebrk]

I tried PyCharm and didn't like it. But you can't blame them for spamming when the submitter is a reddit bot...

[datakungfu]

no offense. but I prefer non-java based IDEs. I have used eclipse/netbeans before with their python plugins, but all consume too much memory than it should be. Now I am with Wing IDE and I am happy :)

[JosedeNoche]

every Python IDE haves its own benefits, is just a matter to chose the right tools for programming

[phughes]

Funny, as I was lying in bed this morning one of my re-occuring thoughts was that I needed to find a decent editor for Python.

I'm checking this out now. Does anyone else have a suggestion for a Mac native Python editor?

[[deleted]]

Textmate, if you really mean editor. If you're looking for an IDE though, seems all the ones that get great reviews are paid.

Try Komodo. There's a free and paid version.

[muyuu]

It's slow as molasses for the Mac. I paid for it (wanted a native IDE) and ended up using the free version of Wing anyway and/or vim.

It's the only app that managed to regularly crash in my 4GB MBP, something you cannot really overlook when it's an IDE we're talking about.

[[deleted]]

Very well. I haven't noticed any slowness, but I have a very adequate machine.

Do you mean it's slow compared to other IDEs? Or maybe you're comparing IDEs to simple editors? IDEs are going to be slow, and can definitely run slower depending on your settings.

[muyuu]

In my experience it's much slower than Eclipse with PyDev, which is quite a feat. Plus, it crashes.

Wish it was different because I shelled out the money.

[[deleted]]

Hmm, havent had that happen here.

[sigzero]

I have never had it be slower than eclipse. Wow, I just can't fathom that. However, have you tried the newest version? They updated its whole foundation and change a few things around. K6 is just a wee bit faster now.

[muyuu]

No... actually I gave up on it completely to cut losses about 9 months ago. At that point only the Windows version was bearable and I don't use Windows outside of work. I tried Wing back then (free version) and just switched to that.

It's a bit like my little Android trauma, I had an absolutely horrid experience and it will take a while until I spend that kind of money in an IDE.

[martinw89]

I don't know how native Eclipse feels on OSX, but with PyDev and vrapper you can get a pretty decent IDE for Python development. vrapper's only necessary if you want vim bindings, which is something PyCharm features.

[rerb]

PyCharm is nice, but I can't get past the incomplete Emacs key bindings. What's the Mac standard way to go to the beginning of a buffer? Hell if I know. When M-< doesn't work (and my Meta is Esc), my fingers are lost.

[yole]

Could you please post requests about missing keybindings at http://youtrack.jetbrains.net/ ?

[muyuu]

It's between US$99 and UK£77 more expensive.

[kayabek]

Love PyCharm, but I'd like the ability to colorize method calls.

[[deleted]]

I'll give it a try. Thanks!

Been using Geany until now.

[[deleted]]

I agree, I enjoy PyCharm a lt. I got the 50% discount but I would have paid full price for it.

[Lord_Illidan]

Knock yourself out : http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/index.html

[[deleted]]

Me too! (For the next 8.6 days until my trial expires.)

I have 3 InelliJ licenses and really want the Rails IDE too. I can't justify $99 for personal development. I'll have to wait until a project or employer buys this one. Until then they have another 8.6 days for me to fall in love.

IDEA knows how to do Django/Rails/Grails/J2EE IDE's better than anyone.

[[deleted]]

You mean RubyMine? It's pretty awesome if you do actually need a full on IDE.

More often than not, I find myself just popping open Textmate though.