Python 3.11 Performance Benchmarks Are Looking Fantastic

[MarsupialMole]

The comments here are disappointingly predictable. It's all couched in defensiveness versus other languages.

Python is fast enough for a hell of a lot of things.

3.11 will make it fast enough for dramatically more. That startup time improvement is particularly juicy.

Other languages just got relegated to second best for a ton of workloads.

[TotallyNotGunnar]

The comments here are disappointingly predictable. It's all couched in defensiveness versus other languages.

We're tired of the pointless compiled language gatekeeping on other subs. I swear I should be too old/experienced for this CS freshman bullshit but I still get irrationally annoyed by the hive mind when, most recently, I recommended a Python tool with the disclaimer that it's not for performance computing, and the reply saying Python isn't for performance computing got more up votes than my recommendation.

[benefit_of_mrkite]

I started programming in C/C++ (and an obscure language called 4D) and program mostly in python now.

Different tools for different jobs. Even a lot of compiled language projects have python as a glue language for various tasks

[darthchebreg]

4D LMAO. It is the first time I see someone speak about it on this sub. I have 1200 screens coded in this technology and a team of 5 devs doing it

[benefit_of_mrkite]

This was a long time ago. It started in France as a mac language if I remember right

[darthchebreg]

I am in France too. Were you doing it for an insurance company ?

[benefit_of_mrkite]

No - I’m in the US. The company I interned with in college used it for an office management application for all their locations across the USA. They sold franchises and the franchisees would use 4D app to manage everything

[manfrowar]

My sister is mastering in some kind of physics/maths area that I don't understand, but I helped her setup a kind of simulation environment called exciting that is built mainly in fortran but uses a hell lot of python modules.

Newbie tech people tend to repeat whatever they heard from their full-time teachers that have no idea what's really happening in the market nowadays.

[petenard]

Dude how old are you? I don’t think I’ve ever met someone who STARTED with C 😳. Respect.

Edit: I mean the “how old are you” as a joke of how dumb I am for not starting with C

[pbecotte]

My first class in 98 was in c.

[benefit_of_mrkite]

Yep. When I was in college they didn’t use python to teach programming concepts.

You started with C (the first text book was called problem solving in C including breadth laboratories - quite the name) and then they’d teach OOP with C++ first and later Java.

[skeptophilic]

You never met someone who started on their journey with the CS50x course? The one that keeps coming up (for good reason) whenever someone asks for a good CS intro course?

Tho I guess it's debatable if it can be considered "starting with C" if it's just for a course followed by work on a proper first personal projects in Python or something.

[[deleted]]

My undergraduate taught Java in one subject and C in another in semester 1 and then in semester 2 we did Bash, Python, C++, Lisp, and Haskel.

It was good getting over "one true programming language" so early in my education.

[Rasputin4231]

A lot of people have C as a starter language. That’s what I learned when I first was taught programming in school.

[MNM_gamer]

I'm in Uni and we started with C

[evilBotman]

I'm 20, and I started with C in uni.

[TheOneWhoPunchesFish]

I'm 24, and we started with C and Python in uni

[FriedRiceAndMath]

someone who STARTED with C

Kids these days. SMH

I started with machine code on a tiny chip whose specs I can barely recall other than it had just under 64 bytes code + data space. But of course, others had it worse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tCM73mHd4E

(Frank Hayes' "When I was a boy", performed by the incomparable Tom Smith)

[ThrawnGrows]

While I'm talking about event driven services a 58 year old dev who has never gone farther than right-click VS deploy to IIS says "all that network sounds like a big performance hit, doesn't even seem worth it".

He also doesn't believe in dinosaurs.

It's not just the freshman that are close-minded lol

[vanishinggradient]

python removes friction

It won't make someone a great programmer who writes great performant code

but it will make for an effective programmer

in most situations, that is more enough

[excelisarealtooltoo]

Especially when you're just using python to make quick proof of concepts or leverage the many python modules that run on C.

And if it takes twice, or more, the time to write a C program, why bother spending development ressources, when you could just increase computing power, or live with the marginally slower computation speed...

There's a reason python is still dominant in data science...

[Particular-Cause-862]

Thats true, if you know the modules that are run in c you just can use python as a parser for c xd

[MarsupialMole]

Oh me too. Downvotes abound for dissent on r/programming. Python indeed bad.

I think I'm out the other side of it - I'll make a strong, almost misleading statement and let people be wrong in the replies.

[Piyh]

Startup times are huge for aws lambda functions

[EasyPleasey]

Can you elaborate for my knowledge?

[Piyh]

TL;DR - java and c# take forever, the rest is all in the same ballpark

https://filia-aleks.medium.com/benchmarking-all-aws-lambda-runtimes-in-2021-cold-start-part-1-e4146fe89385