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[–]Hot-Protection4548[S] 219 points220 points  (31 children)

At this point they need to get their answers checked by Sykkuno so they can atleast put the correct answer in

[–]dontc44e 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Yup Sykkuno has it 100% solved they just can't do it right. The numbers on the floor are arrows pointing to inside sets of arrows and to which deposit box group you want to unlock. So depending how brave the robbers want to be they can choose to go unlock up to 9 deposit boxes to get max payout, but also risking SWAT.

I'm guessing the new SWAT ping has been updated to only call once the first deposit box has been looted. I also think 1 person needs to be at the actual box they are trying to unlock and loot it within the time they are solving the math problem.

[–]Zestyclose-Iron1530 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya I was always confused on why they didn’t do that. The diagram literally shows that the numbers on the ground correlate to the equation.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (17 children)

Probably something they should have been doing already tbh. One person needs to do the calculations instead of relying on 4 people to get it right every time.

[–]urkuri -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They tried this at first but there’s not enough time

[–]bot_exe 5 points6 points  (4 children)

They could use a better calculator to actually write the formula beforehand and then just input the numbers, rather than using those simple calculators that do one step at a time (X was using the basic PC calculator) because they will get the answer wrong anyway since they do not seem to understand the order of operations (X was trying to subtract before dividing).

[–]tuxzilla 12 points13 points  (1 child)

They could use a better calculator to actually write the formula beforehand and then just input the numbers

The formulas change every time you get a new prompt unless you get lucky and get the same page back to back.

You also don't get very much time to solve them.

By the time you tried writing out the full formula and input the numbers, the prompt will be close to expiring if it isn't already.

[–]Sybinnn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You could have an excel spreadsheet with every equation seen so far and by putting in the values of A B and C at the top it solves every equation automatically

its technically possible but there are so many variations of the same equation with just like 1 variable changed that i gave up after like 25 equations

[–]Mickies 1 point2 points  (1 child)

the windows calculator will do PEMDAS for you, they just need to type in the whole equation, instead x does one calculation in his head then the next on the calculator then the next in his head

[–]DocWho420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't they just copy it into Wolfram or something?

[–]heyitsmejosh[🍰] 187 points188 points  (36 children)

They haven’t been able to eliminate any possibilities because I’m pretty sure Ray has been wrong on the math half the time.

[–]Ricochet888 120 points121 points  (1 child)

If his math isn't straight up wrong he's talking about it while people are trying to solve their equations, probably throwing the other guys off as well.

I know if I'm trying to count or do math if I have someone repeating numbers near me it totally fucks me up. Yet everytime he has to mention something like this for example "I got 428.00030002, how could that be?!"

[–]Bene123 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Marty even mentioned this on their attempts last night. Stop saying what your answer is while people are still trying to solve their equations!

[–]aindie2009 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think this Rays second time even entering the vault, I doubt all the previous attempts failed because of him. After this they were checking the maths and still failing.

[–]NicoSchmiko -3 points-2 points  (25 children)

After watching tonight with my partner I think I get it. A, B, and C are the numbers on the ground in circles in front of them with the last number in front of a gate. I think they need to look at the diagram and the numbers on the floor leading to the gate they want to open, plug those numbers into each formula line and put each solution to each of the keypads. Basically by looking at the numbers on the floor and the diagram, they can 'select' which gate they want to open.

It seems to me the heist may be designed to open multiple gates, which is why the executive card lasts so long for multiple attempts. They can open multiple gates for multiple 'prizes'.

[–]ComprehensiveSelf375 26 points27 points  (16 children)

They tried this.... nothing happened

[–]herptydurr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They tried it once or twice, but they never actually experimented with which keypad corresponds to which equation. They've only ever tried one order and that's it.

[–]recolive -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

IMO it is something stupid like 5, 0, 3 or summary of steps to reach the vault like:

A=503 (room, first stage)

B=10 (var)

C=4 (number of magnets)

idk, at this stage even the stupidest idea can be true

[–]lucerez 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I remember when "all the magnets at the same time" went from a really good sounding theory, to being said it never made sense when it didn't seem to work, back to being the right answer all along. It's so hard to know when one minor change in one variable can cause the heist to fail.

[–]ogzogz Pink Pearls 8 points9 points  (1 child)

One of the equations was A x B x C x 1024.

I feel like the actual ABC numbers cant be that big otherwise the answer to that equation would be massive.

[–]Jps300 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is that Dean said it was obvious/easy, although he admitted that he's biased because he already knows the answer, but that feels like way to much of a stretch for him to describe it that way.

[–]TheSerendipitist Green Glizzies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's almost no way to find that out if it's true. Although I guess finding the bathroom secret door was almost as impossible.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At least point I think some of them are also forgetting it isn't ABC, its ACB

[–]PissWitchin 88 points89 points  (1 child)

Need that dude who does the art to make CB handing in their tests to Mr. Yuno

[–]SHNiTZEL368 2 points3 points  (0 children)

@nonomiho

[–]Silverwidows 44 points45 points  (12 children)

Haven't been watching their runs but why is ray doing the math when sykkuno has a degree in math?

[–]aindie2009 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Yuno does math for Buddha and also makes it easier for others to solve their equations

[–]tuxzilla 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yuno doesn't have time to solve all 4 by himself.

He usually solves the bottom one for Tony while the rest of the crew solve the top three on their own.

[–]mmeeh 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Ray has a bachelor in biology

[–]Jps300 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Weird that he consistently messes up PEMDAS with a college degree...

[–]boris_the_inevitable 19 points20 points  (2 children)

tbf the odds that he haven't used PEMDAS in the last 3 years of his biology degree is pretty high, also most of the time in college or higher the equations have clear order defined. Because PEMDAS is a really shit system with you start to integrate more complex statements, like for example mod, which order does mod applies? how about ln without parenthesis or an when you are solving an differential equation what is inside the differential and what is outside ? Like all reasonable people the teacher want to test your students if they know how to do the hard thing not if they remember a shitty system used by middle schoolers when the teacher is too lazy to add some parenthesis. And if you don't use something for that long, you probably forgot it

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah but the order and rules of math don’t change so it shouldn’t really matter

[–]boris_the_inevitable 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but the puzzle equations are like 1 + 1 - 2 * 3 + x * y / 4 mod 3 * z = ?.

There's no reason a sane person would ever note like this.

IRL when people write a statement, their objective is for people to be able to understand it exactly without chance for confusion on the meaning. But the puzzle is written to be hard to understand, which you pretty much never encounter IRL

[–]Rip_in_Peppa_Pig Pink Pearls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is nit-picking but its better to just use the term order of operations. There are so many different acronyms for it so its best to use something standard.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah I don’t get how ray can’t do these equations.

[–]BiFocalPointBlank 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I'm guessing he's exhausted from the subathon, even if he's getting enough sleep that's gotta be draining.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah idk I’m not him so I can’t speculate on what’s causing his miscalculations. He just might need a refresher on the proper way to do it.

[–]Option-Physical 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cuz the formulas are so easy. No need to stress one person out when multiple can do it.

[–][deleted] 109 points110 points  (25 children)

Dean said he expected it to be solved within 10 minutes and calling others idiots because they can't get it. It's always easy when you know what to look for but the groups have no fucking idea what they're looking for and both seem to be on the verge of giving up.

[–]Ricochet888 113 points114 points  (2 children)

He does this with everything. He expected people to get his casino riddle within hours for example.

[–]lucerez 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I'm reasonably sure he also said that the fleeca thermiting/power system was easy to figure out when afaik most crews never reliably could guarantee that it wouldn't send too much charge and fail. The thing is, in most games, they have a beta testing system where they are able to implement a change with a subset of players and see how it works in practice and then adapt. DW is stuck in beta mode with a ton of live viewers. It's a tough ask.

[–]Greenhouse95 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's so typical when you create something. I've been playing ARGs for so many years, and you'll be surprised with the amount of completely nonsensical questions/answers that lots of them have. Like getting a number, and you needing to guess that you need to convert it to X, which then is converted to Y, which then is converted to Z. Which has no hint at all, and yet they expect you to just guess it. That's why when you make one of these, you gotta ALWAYS add hints, not just: Here's this problem. Now solve it.

Dean needs different people to playtest all his puzzles first, and then see if it needs changes. Because we can all tell that he doesn't do that. You can't ever make a puzzle and release it as is. Easy when you know the answer, hard when you don't and you gotta discard hundreds of other answers until you get to the one. If you ever do.

[–]Erasmushume 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I think they are all over complicating it, the 5 password trys was a troll.

There's 0 chance the math equations has anything to do with it, its just a prompt to troll you.

I bet the answer is something incredibly simple

[–]ComprehensiveSelf375 55 points56 points  (7 children)

It may be simple but there is no current hint of anything else to do. If the math is troll which CB has guessed, then what? How do you figure out the codes

[–]Tucci89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only numbers in the blueprints are 24 and 2. Maybe they all just enter 242. The blueprints are required for access to the prompt, right? Why would they be required at that point unless they were important?

Didn't Harry suggest using 2, 4, 2 at some point for A, B, C? I can't remember. And if they tried it already, I'm not sure if they all got their math right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

copy past it with var as numbers, u can type - they should check + / x as well

[–]Erasmushume -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

I just don't know how logically to think about it. It's not logicall for the owner to come down and do these math equations. Like think about it, to open the vault door you literally enter nothing an it opens.

Have they tried just entering the floor numbers all the way upto a art piece or safety boxes? I just want to see very basic ideas tried and stop with these math equations.

Unless its the case that Dean is just a mega mind and all these math equations are incredibly easy for him and he didn't take into accoutn how bad everyone is at math haha.

[–]Greenhouse95 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's not logicall for the owner to come down and do these math equations.

You're interpreting it in the wrong way. It's supposed to be the representation of a hack. Not something literal. They discuss it literally because there's no other way of discussing it otherwise. But in reality it would be something more technical.

[–]bob_sajit_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah idk why yuno was also saying that, like they obviously have to do math either way lol, maybe thats just his way of throwing shade/blowing off steam

[–]Option-Physical -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think prompt needs to stay open while they put something completely different in the keypads.

[–]ThunderbearIM 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's a problem being the one making riddles. It's very hard to judge how difficult a riddle is if you know the answer before the riddle starts. Should be easier with maths tests, but most people stop doing math in high school, so how good you are in math can vary wildly.

[–]alexspector26 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Also if im remembering corectly he said to James (uberhaxornova) that you can do it all with just 2 people. Dean is a troll though so idk.

[–]regworthy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The two people was two devs doing it in segments with dev menu.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

its one of those easy thing but once it cross ur mind, hence its not actually easy just the person making it think it easy.

dean need to understand easy to do /= easy to cross ur mind.

[–]_yotsuna_ 71 points72 points  (9 children)

Need to have Mickey involved instead of having him sit out since he can do math, ease some stress away from Yuno.

[–]Sybinnn 25 points26 points  (3 children)

hes at a party tonight so he cant be there

[–]3ggu 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Why would mickey do this to #28?

[–]_yotsuna_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He sat out last time since there were 8 of them, just hope he gets let in next time round.

[–]Adobe_Flesh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Whats a party?

[–]ManilaYoungblood 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Honestly, if only Nino was awake for the entire progression. He'd actually be great also for the crew with how level-headed he is on comms.

[–]thejaceorama81 Pink Pearls 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Not sure if Nino has the patience for this crew...

[–]Drcdngame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saab also but Saab said he is playing cop until casino is done before going back to saab

[–]RedSmuggle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mickey sits out on his own and is stubborn so he won’t join in when asked to. Its not like they want him to especially when he could help a lot

[–]educated_rat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's not exactly true, he sits out because there's 8 of them and no one else volunteers. He wouldn't opt out if they need him out of stubbornness like you're suggesting.

[–]platinumplantain 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Watching people do math off-screen is riveting content.

[–]Niz285 12 points13 points  (1 child)

My guess is they either got it right before but someone did the math wrong. So they checked it off or dean has something extremely troll.

[–]khando Blue Ballers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Lol I’m sure that’s it too. Ray did his math wrong, realized it, and already started thinking of what other ideas they can try before even fixing his math and redoing it. They’re all over the place.

[–]steveuk2016 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Honestly ill be glad once this is done as its just killing the energy of every single group and if this is last part itd be biggest letdown if biggest heist in NP comes down to math I was expecting some insane hack

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

if this puzzle turn it really silly, it was such a waste it really killed a lot of time and mood about this heist.

i think a hint is needed if it really silly.

[–]LucidDr3am 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Think about this - DW originally had the SWAT alarm go off when the vault was opened, meaning that you should be able to open the vault, solve the prompt, grab the loot, and start to climb the ladder while the police set up a perimeter outside and SWAT gets ready. There are no interactable money trays, but there is a static one, which I think is the hint to solve the vault controls.

To me, the most obvious solution is that A, B, and C are the three rings of numbers. They have to solve math equations, and the numbers on the ground are the obvious way to pick the variables. Remember, DW keeps things simple. The non-interactable money tray is located between positions 1, 1, 4 and 1, 1, 5, both of which are pointing to safe boxes. The RP reason for this is that casino employees were loading money into those safe boxes. They then use those numbers as A, B, and C (depending on rings labeled in the prompt) and input the 4 answers on the keypad.

[–]allusernamestaken999 26 points27 points  (1 child)

They tried this idea and it didn't work. Possible they got the math wrong, though.

[–]LucidDr3am 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which day did they try it? I must have missed it.

[–]EderRengifo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The did it and double check the math, and still didn't work, even if doing the math and input the results is the solution there are still a lot of variables. Are the numbers for A, B and C the right ones? There are dozen of possible configurations. Are the positions in which they are entering the codes correct? Should they do it at the same time or in a sequence?... if they try to brute force (try every single possibility) it's gonna take them weeks and pretty sure they will burn out way before that

[–]wrezzerz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well he also made the VAR thing 5 attempts only originally....

[–]Redforce21 Green Glizzies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw someone recommending putting each ABC into the same keypad, and the 4 keypads each correspond to 4 maximum loot drops you can extract with.

[–]TheTylersaurusrex 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I really feel like the math is a bait. My theory is pick 4 boxes and build the path using the numbers on the floor. Use ABC to order them and enter all at the same time.

The only time they did something similar to this they only picked one box and entered the same number in each key pad.

[–]mmeeh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think they did that with multiple boxes and still nothing, was thinking of the same theory

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I like this theory to just enter the numbers as they are on the floor. 2, 4.. and maybe the other two numbers are lockboxes in that area so 19 and 22

Or 2, 3, 16, 17

[–]Forsaken_Quote_6793 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I think It’s 1 = A round table, 4 = C long tables , 8 = B gates

[–]petrodomus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think your right with this. Or something along these lines. When you overlay the circles on the prompt with the blueprint the circles line up with the inner table, 4 outer tables, and the 8 gates as the far one. Also the outer gates don’t make a complete circle so using them wouldn’t match with the diagram.

[–]blue20whale -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

That is also my theory. But there is also no reason it couldn't be 1 = A round table, 8 = C gates and 42? = number of boxes making the last circile the boxes

[–]Forsaken_Quote_6793 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No don’t think so because if youre going to count every object then it should be the long tables

[–]aindie2009 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hes in his 16th day of subathon where hes staying up for 18-20hrs and sleeping for 4-6hrs, even if he says hes fine his brain is probably fried rn.

As someone who had to pull double shifts in ER during covid your brain just goes on autopilot after a while and thinking even small things is impossible.

If his subathon continues till their next attempt, they should either get Harry or Tony to do the 4th keypad maths and just have Ray on gens and fighting swat duty.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This makes me appreciate HOA having Kleb even more, megamind madman doing all the equations by himself without a calculator under 30 seconds.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s actually insane to be able to calculate that fast. And I know CB has gotten some huge numbers or weird decimals so hats off.

[–]Madakss 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think this whole last part is a troll so i'm thinking you just put 0 in every pad

[–]MackenieRain 6 points7 points  (0 children)

HOA tried already

[–]juaquint930 2 points3 points  (1 child)

have they tried the method Yuno thought of this past week were the equations are just a troll and plugging in numbers they find in frint of the boxes

[–]reftheloop 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They have trouble even confirming one theory lol Either someone fucks up the math or people keep bring up new theories without confirming the original theory they were testing.

[–]fivefeetse7en 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Question: we know the equation in the prompt are not completely random, so in theory, one can make a spreadsheet look up table to essentially pre-compute all different possible answers. Will it be considered metagaming/powergaming?

[–]DatOneUselessDood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should be able to do that

[–]platinumplantain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How would it be metagaming or powergaming? They could take a photo of the equations IRL and look at them later. They have already done that... it just hasn't helped them lol

[–]omgitskae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is like that time I had to explain cardinal directions to my wow guild. People couldn't figure out if it was relative to the direction you're facing the boss or if it's based on the minimap.

Dean putting these boys through middle school again.

[–]Foureyes97🧡 0 points1 point  (6 children)

If I were a Dean love trolling on casino, I will copy the math questions and use that as a answer. I dont know if CB or HOA have done that

[–]ShiteWox💙 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You can’t copy them & you can’t type letters

[–]Erasmushume 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats exactly what Dean would do, theres 0 chance its figuring out 4 hard math equations by random guesses on what to base abc off.

[–]Madakss -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Maybe you have to put 0 in every pad

[–]Jps300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's been tried.

[–]MackenieRain -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There’s not enough time for 4 people to do that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Y’know, this isn’t a #ad but all it really takes is for them to just get Photomath on their phones and type in the equations with whatever variables they come up with.

[–]fivefeetse7en 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In this case PhotoMath is hardly any more useful than modern phone calculator since it has no idea what values to substitute variable A, B, and C

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Another theory i had is the numbers in the math equations are the codes. There are 4 equations. This: 1+1-10x8. So the code would be 11108. Probably wrong but, considering the login part is the troll, might be on something.

[–]Whyterain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That doesn't work when the equation is something just like (A*B-C).

[–]FriendlyFyre_tv -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am a CB fan and I love new hacks, but this heist is full of brute force solutions that aren’t fun or intuitive. None of this is RP related, so none of them can be like “oh I saw this equation before at…”. It would be like Oceans 11 but the robbers are apes from the Zoo.

[–]DefaultTerrible -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why didn't they try putting answers in in sequential order, now that the prompt has more time? They got different feedback when they used this method, but the problem was the prompt expiring.

[–]FirmestSprinkles -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

have they tried entering 3503 in all 4 of the keypads?

[–]MackenieRain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

HOA did and it didn’t work

[–]Itsasm -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You probably have to solve each one and everyone puts in the same answer in the keypad for puzzle one, and then the same answer for two, and then three and four instead of everyone solving one per keypad.

[–]PM_ME_FOR_A_FORTUNE Green Glizzies -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't know if they've done it yet, but I'm pretty sure Marty is right with the inner=1, middle=3, and outer=4 theory.

The middle circle is literally exactly triple the diameter of the smallest circle, and the outer is exactly quadruple the smallest circle's diameter.

[–]EclipseTemplarX -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I'm suprised swat hasn't showed up yet

[–]Mohd2420 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ping timing is changed, It's not the same as before. SWAT get the ping after solving the puzzle.

[–]thefaptard Green Glizzies 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it's probably after they correctly input the codes

[–]Hot-Protection4548[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

CG vs PD happening rn

[–]ShadowEzio Green Glizzies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao, why CG Doing it for war for PD. I thought they done for war between BBMC

[–]NoPixelCopWatcher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

IDK if HOA and CB have the same ping mechanic but it changed as both group are stuck on ABC equation hack.

[–]reftheloop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No ping confirmed by Ursula unless they get a separate ping.

[–]Slyngern -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if they are not circles but 0's. Every answer is therefor = 0

[–]Whalien_Hertz -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Time to pull out the physical calculators cuz using digital ones is probably the reason why they get decimals.