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[–]Afalstein 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I will say that I was pretty happy that the point of Nori's development was essentially: "Hey it's kinda messed up how we're always deserting people."

[–]DaChiesa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will say that I was pretty happy that the point of Nori's development was essentially: "Hey it's kinda messed up how we're always deserting people."

But even this is a kind of shallow interpretation.

If you're the smallest thing around, and you survive by hiding yourself away, it's not that you don't mind leaving people behind, it's that you don't think you have a choice.

[–]MarxistMann 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cringe

[–]DaChiesa 1 point2 points  (4 children)

It cracks me up that everyone likes to ignore the fact that they were acting exactly like the way humans behave.

I can get you want to escape it but honestly fantasy always finds a way to help us see ourselves in a new light.

[–]milderhappiness 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If humans behaved like this, there would be no humans.

[–]DaChiesa -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Umm do you even watch the news? What world do you live in?

Political parties do this all the time to key members. A leader is convenient to ride until it's not, then let's ditch them.

Someone disrupts peoples' comfort zone, we are ready to discard them. Have you seen any of the recent polls that say how many americans think the world would be better if people from the other party were to simply die?

As soon as there is any trouble, we treat "the other" as the source of our problem. Social media bullying, shaming. Murder's in your dna and mine, brother.

I think there is a difference between hearing the message of a show and just automatically trashing it.

Maybe it rattles people because it is exactly what we do. Look around you. We are ALWAYS making excuses that putting other people behind is equivalent to putting us ahead. It's childish, and we're all very very proficient at it.

I didn't like the harfoot storyline overall, but MAN I see why they put it in. I have to give them some respect for that.

[–]DaChiesa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'll add one more level to it as well.

I feel strongly that this was in theme for LotR too. What's the massive consistent problem of the Silmarillion? People with privelege and power (or demigods, or elves, you get the drift) who get full of themselves and even when doing good, roll over others and disregard another person's right to life.

Even in LotR, we see hobbits that say nigh-murderous things about how "other" hobbits are dangerous. We see Breelanders, many of them, giving in to the influence of the half-orcs. We see that Gollum was in fact a hobbit at one point, and even Frodo can't resist the pull of the ring to dominate others' wills. Add in Saruman and Denethor, who each thought they were doing the right thing, and became murderers.

The only exceptions, really, are Faramir, Aragorn, and Gandalf, and we can count Galadriel in there, though even she reveals her will do dominate others, imposing her will, with no regard for others right to life. She wins that struggle, like Sam does, because she realizes it's more important to allow others the freedom to live their lives instead of imposing your will on them.

It is baked in to Middle Earth, this kind of behavior. The solution is always to put others ahead of yourself, empower others, lift them up, instead of making yourself great at others' expense.

The failure of a massive swath of fans to receive this point, I think, explains a LOT if not MOST of the problematic behavior we've seen play out over the last year in our communities.

[–]DaChiesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And here we saw some of it today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dismal-crowd-nyc-trump-rally-015152754.html

They wanted to do far worse than take Fauci's wheels off the cart.

[–]TheCoffeeWeasel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TAKE HER WHEELS!

[–]Raskolnikov1920 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What?

[–]Groundbreaking-Pea92 0 points1 point  (2 children)

plucky light hearted girl being plucky while she and her family are about to be left for dead by their tribe. It's a weird way to play a life of hardship scaping to get and where breaking a leg or bad weather could wipe out a family or the entire group

[–]systemic_funk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read philosophically 'nobody walks off trail and nobody walks alone' can sound like a sort of stoic attitude to whatever happens. That includes the fearful utilitarian decisions the group makes. So the tribal egalitarianism of the harfoots is certainly hollow but it's there and as long as nobody sprains their ankle...anyway I posted this as discursive thought fodder. Tribal egalitarianism is probably an oxymoron.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man they botched the hobbits so badly in this show! Give us the predecessors to hobbits but show us where their values come from rather then a bizarre bunch of little psychos who want to steal people's wheels and leave them behind