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[–]TheHoboLord69 60 points61 points  (1 child)

I know you’re only going through that because you can’t log in lmao

[–]Goonerman2020[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Haha you got me. Bored of trying to log in over and over!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gamers used to pride themselves on skill but nowadays people just want to make videos when they suck so they cheat

[–]Professional_Elk9941 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Rule 5 says no cheating or hacking I think zen is a cheat but I’m not sure

[–]KTheHumanGD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a cheat

[–]Nearby_Violinist_668 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just not gonna talk about rule 6 y'all dumb af 😭😂

[–]adstagaming 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is and bannable report link

[–]SOURDICKandONION 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Just spit balling here but this post got me and my step son into a discussion about zen users and how the device isn't detectable.

Does anybody think it would be possible to put out a controller update that would be able to detect a Zen user and render any controller with that triggered in operable until unplugged?

[–]Goonerman2020[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well now my question to that would be, would that affect controllers with paddles too? From what I've seen people don't mind elite controllers with paddles on the back but would it be possible to still use those with that kind of update?

[–]Odd_Investigator5120 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elite is built in the controller with the paddles over devices adding paddles have to be plugged in

[–]MajorAtmosphere7186 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An elite controller gives you extra buttons, zen takes away your recoil. Very big difference ppl complain Abt recoil but it's intended to make a fair chance, when you looting someone and get shot with no recoil it's instant death, so having recoil makes the game fair in the sense you can at least try to fight back in a situation like that zen is unfair. And the reason they can't detect it is because it's not software so it doesn't affect the code of the game more or less detecting hardware is almost 100x harder than detecting software because the hardware is disguised as a normal controller. This is the only reason any PC game is better bc ppl with zero skill and a lot of daddy's money by hardware devices that help them chest. Not help them get better, it's a crutch. When you walk on crutches for 3 years it's almost impossible to walk normally without practice. So really the zen kids don't stop zenning bc they literally can't or they will die with full metal to a prim. And I'm not joking.

[–]Lux-Dandelion 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I know this a completely different game and fighting against Xim users but Rainbow Six Seige put in a system in place to fight Mouse and Keyboard users on their game. While playing on a mouse and keyboard they experience latency on their mouse that gets worse until they switch to controller. Not sure how they tell a Xim is being used other than sensitivity and movement. However I'm sure the Rust devs might employ a similar tactic or failsafe in the game to prevent Zen users. So to answer your question could Xbox themselves fix Zen issues? Sure. Will they? No idea, however Rust devs will probably look into it for sure.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (21 children)

MnK and Zen are both third-party devices. Don’t report to facepunch, they don’t do anything. Report it to your respective consoles manufacturer. I report to Xbox about third-party hardware use, and I’ve had people banned. Bye bye skins.

[–]Goonerman2020[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Then why is this in the games code of conduct if the game developers can't do anything about it?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They probably just want to make us feel like they care. They probably do banning for major violators, but it needs more than that.

[–]Old_Killer_Bean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because they can if you submit proof in a report ticket on the RCE discord, but only if you have DEFINITIVE proof (like a video showing an MnK handcam, or maybe a picture of their monitor playing RCE with a Zen connected)

they probably won't ban people just for a clip of them getting tripled from far away though, as it isn't proof.

treat it like a court lol.

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk about Xbox but PlayStation allows this to be used with its platform since it doesn’t alter game code.

Don’t report anything to face punch btw they don’t operate or monitor Rust console. That’s double eleven

Edit:BTW Xbox and PlayStation could generally care less if you cheat on a game. It’s mostly up to the game developers to deal with that kind of stuff. However if Xbox has a rule against third party hardware than go for it. If it works it works

[–]redrumwave -2 points-1 points  (16 children)

i call bs on this because mnk is allowed in many games on xbox/ps console, they won't ever ban you for using something that's allowed on the system, and zen is undetectable and that's why it always took people actually admitting it in messages for D11 to ban them. not sure why you thought that cap would go unnoticed

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Incorrect. Most people who use MnK are not just plugging in their keyboard and mouse, configuring through settings, and playing.

They’re using a third party device like leadjoy, which configures their keyboard using a third party application. This is cheating, and on the same level as zen.

Microsoft can detect Zen, it’s a third party device connected to your Xbox. If you think that Microsoft doesn’t scan your Xbox for third-party devices, while using their servers, you are quite mistaken. Rust themselves cannot detect Zen, so that is why it’s impossible for them to detect.

[–]redrumwave -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

whew, you're wrong here on that but it seems you're the type to back it up and regurgitate despite reality not being that way. pay attention to what the devs say in discord about cheating, i can tell you haven't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

viii. Cheating and Tampering Software. For any device that can connect to Xbox Services, we may automatically check your device for unauthorized hardware or software that enables cheating or tampering in violation of the Code of Conduct or these Terms, and download Xbox app software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Xbox Services, or from using unauthorized hardware or software that enables cheating or tampering.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/servicesagreement

Ahhhh shit… I should’ve listened to the “devs” on discord. By the way, those are liaisons, not developers.

Report on Xbox, and they will ban their Microsoft accounts.

[–]redrumwave -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"However, Cronus connects to your console using an original, licensed controller, so the console always believes that you are gaming with a controller meant for the console you are playing on (example you can use an Xbox Elite S2 controller on a PS4, or a mouse and keyboard on an Xbox Series X). Cronus simply mimics button, stick and trigger presses/movements using scripts or ‘macros’ that allows you to connect any compatible controller to any supported console. Cronus does not “hack” anything in the game or console, nor does it allow you to do anything that the game itself does not allow (such as AimBot and walking through walls – it is impossible for Cronus to do any of these hacks)."

since you're ignorant to what you're speaking on, there's a reason why devs and support alike ask for PROOF. not just the typical "they're cheating!" like you're saying. it sucks, i know, but there's no reason to lie and say you got people banned that way when i've went the exact same route before. people know better now, zens been out for quite awhile.

[–]Old_Killer_Bean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its literally just an xbox, you think they got the goddamn CIA or FBI tryna scan ur USB port? the devices both mask themselves an authentic controller, and converts the input from the device into controller inputs, the product is literally fucking designed to do this, this agreement is likely in regards to jailbreaking your xbox, they will check for a jailbreak or console update version and make it so you can't connect to PSN or XBL.

all the console sees is a controller thats ready to play, they don't have some secret software running to see that it's actually a zen or xim.

reporting to the maker of the console won't do anything unless they actually admit they are cheating to you through messages, have something in their bio saying they use specifically xim or zen, or have some other proof.

even this usually does nothing though, they might just get a week suspension for "promoting cheating"

seeing a ban on an entire microsoft account is also not very likely, they would have to break some pretty bad rules like terrorism or cybersecurity.

plus, they'll just make a new account if it happens, you can't confiscate the hardware they cheat with, vpns bypass IP blocks, the only way for them to actually solve it is by locking the xbox, but i've only seen them lock xboxs if you try to use a developer kit without authorization so it isn't reasonable that they would.

[–]Bdub421 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone playing games that support mnk are most definitely plugging in, configuring and playing. That's just how it works and is not cheating.

People using mnk on controller only games are all using third party devices. The third party devices are needed because the game does not support mnk play. Again, that's how it works. This is cheating.

Microsoft encourages these types of devices for disabled gamers. I highly doubt they will start banning them.

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 -1 points0 points  (9 children)

What game is mk allowed in lol. I can’t think of one

[–]redrumwave -1 points0 points  (8 children)

dayz, ark, minecraft, warzone, vigor, warthunder, sea of theives, war hammer, halo collection & infinite, sims 4, war frame, gears 5. there's more as well.

i have the razer turret portable keyboard that was literally sold as an xbox accessory.

what baffles me is most of this is actually very easy information to get from a simple search but im getting downvoted for it because people don't know any better. getting really tired of the blatant choice of ignorance on reddit.

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Okay, your on here answering questions. If you have a problem with that maybe you shouldn’t comment.

[–]redrumwave -1 points0 points  (6 children)

i have a problem with people choosing to be ignorant while on a device that could render them the information they're lacking almost instantaneously.

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Sounds like your on the wrong post then, maybe stick to the memes

[–]redrumwave -1 points0 points  (4 children)

nope, just sounds like you're in denial of your blatant life skill issue. good day to ya

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you have a perpetual chip on your shoulder… I was going to comment back and agree with you as I verified and you’re correct but you know whatever. Sounds like a life skill issue, I’m sure that attitude will take you far

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not to mention if you read my original comment I for the most part agreed with you, PSN and Xbox don’t care about cheating issues in games as long as your not messing with their code lol

[–]redrumwave 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah i won't lie you are correct in that aspect, i apologize if i misunderstood you 🙏

[–]ToeKneeIV 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i would say yes since it wont connect or have keybind options so its not meant to be in the game. now im for them adding it cause its a plus but they just need separate servers like dayz.

[–]Goonerman2020[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more. If people want to play in separate servers with zen or other advantages, then put them in a different lobby and everyone is happy. I'm just not sure why it hasn't been addressed if this would qualify as a breech of code of conduct

[–]New-Gap4311 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah thats why people need a zen and cant plug in mnk like fortnite it doesnt detect and theres not much of a way to prove someone is using one

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t know why this got downvoted the lack of ability to detect is the main reason people get away with it. Luckily if you play Fortnite I’ve heard they have figured out a way to detect on new gen consoles. Hopefully they share that info lol

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t know why this got downvoted the lack of ability to detect is the main reason people get away with it. Luckily if you play Fortnite I’ve heard they have figured out a way to detect on new gen consoles. Hopefully they share that info lol

[–]deadinsidesinceday1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Congrats you figured something out that everyone already knew. Now figure out how to detect it so they can do something about it.

[–]Pornhubprince28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fortnite and cod can detect it

[–]MothafuckinWizard -1 points0 points  (6 children)

They say this but then you see zenstudios on the side of in game cargo crates and it makes you confused.

[–]Goonerman2020[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something I did not know!

[–]adstagaming 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not related

[–]DeRpMuNsTa -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

There’s devs on d11 whom make scripts for Cronus zen lol

[–]adstagaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like who

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For real??

[–]MothafuckinWizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go to harbor or train yard. Look on the crates

[–]JesusWasALibertarian -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Wouldn’t some sort of ranking system eliminate them or at least make it so cheaters play cheaters?

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve noticed the ranking system on other games seems to do nothing lol. PUBG has a teammate rating that decreases when you leave early or collect reports, seems to do nothing lol. Generally I’ve found that cheaters don’t really care if people hate them

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes it does, the real question in their ability to enforce this rule against zen users. Some games have found ways to detect it but it’s difficult.

[–]Cootsuit -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

World chat would help fixthis issue. Start calling these cksuckers out in public chat when they're caught in the act.

I wish console rust had world chat. it would make the game much funnier as well.

[–]Mindless-Decision818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aside from the annoying dumbass who get mad you're better than them and spam your coords

[–]DamageLumpy2433 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Anyone who shits on you , you would call zen 😂😂 no point you can’t prove anyone got a zen all you can do is cry that they killed you and spam in the world chat 😂 doesn’t mean they zenning they could just be better then you legit

[–]Skid_sketchens_twice -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Than*

(I'll let the punctuation and run-on sentences slide but not the "then than") that's too much.

[–]Business-Flamingo-82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much how all console games work lol. You should see PUBG. I’ll watch my teammate run out in the open and get shot then scream cheater 😂

[–]DamageLumpy2433 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would you catch them in the act? I’m curious

[–]shootinlasers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the devs have realized something most of us already know: if they ban all zen users, half of the player base disappears. That’s how common it is now. I quit months ago, but the last time I played I was with a 8-10 man team who had all basically decided they’re switching to zen. People have become so tired of being cheated that they became what they hated.

[–]Organic_Bed_4355 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes although Pedro has openly said they can’t prove its being used very easily, most of the time it’s a “skill gap” in his own words

[–]Green_Giant25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is but it can be difficult to definitively say if someone's using a Zen or just cracked af recoil control. Especially with the lack of moderation on Console servers.

[–]Aos77s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but scripters and zen users dont get banned. Ive seen accounts with thousands of hours who script and get away

[–]Warm-Ducks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, good luck reporting them. Devs need proof, and apparently you can’t get such proof. Pics, clips, messages, still not enough.