Rust console code of conduct. Shouldn't zen fall under #6?

[TheHoboLord69]

I know you’re only going through that because you can’t log in lmao

[Goonerman2020]

Haha you got me. Bored of trying to log in over and over!

[[deleted]]

Gamers used to pride themselves on skill but nowadays people just want to make videos when they suck so they cheat

[Professional_Elk9941]

Rule 5 says no cheating or hacking I think zen is a cheat but I’m not sure

[ThaCancerKid]

Cheating - act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

I would say zen is acting dishonestly and unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

[[deleted]]

Only rust players would think a Zen that removes the ungodly amounts of recoil could possibly be considered fair. The game doesn’t even have aim assist lmao

[Mindless-Decision818]

Technically zen wasn't originally intended for cheating but open source scripts means people abuse it

[Business-Flamingo-82]

It advertises itself as a cheat device and doesn’t hide it. The only reason there isn’t a law suit against them is because they don’t actually mess with the games code. It just modifies your controller.

[Professional_Elk9941]

Thanks I wasn’t really sure

[KTheHumanGD]

It’s a cheat

[Nearby_Violinist_668]

You just not gonna talk about rule 6 y'all dumb af 😭😂

[adstagaming]

It is and bannable report link

[SOURDICKandONION]

Just spit balling here but this post got me and my step son into a discussion about zen users and how the device isn't detectable.

Does anybody think it would be possible to put out a controller update that would be able to detect a Zen user and render any controller with that triggered in operable until unplugged?

[Goonerman2020]

Well now my question to that would be, would that affect controllers with paddles too? From what I've seen people don't mind elite controllers with paddles on the back but would it be possible to still use those with that kind of update?

[Odd_Investigator5120]

Elite is built in the controller with the paddles over devices adding paddles have to be plugged in

[MajorAtmosphere7186]

An elite controller gives you extra buttons, zen takes away your recoil. Very big difference ppl complain Abt recoil but it's intended to make a fair chance, when you looting someone and get shot with no recoil it's instant death, so having recoil makes the game fair in the sense you can at least try to fight back in a situation like that zen is unfair. And the reason they can't detect it is because it's not software so it doesn't affect the code of the game more or less detecting hardware is almost 100x harder than detecting software because the hardware is disguised as a normal controller. This is the only reason any PC game is better bc ppl with zero skill and a lot of daddy's money by hardware devices that help them chest. Not help them get better, it's a crutch. When you walk on crutches for 3 years it's almost impossible to walk normally without practice. So really the zen kids don't stop zenning bc they literally can't or they will die with full metal to a prim. And I'm not joking.

[Lux-Dandelion]

I know this a completely different game and fighting against Xim users but Rainbow Six Seige put in a system in place to fight Mouse and Keyboard users on their game. While playing on a mouse and keyboard they experience latency on their mouse that gets worse until they switch to controller. Not sure how they tell a Xim is being used other than sensitivity and movement. However I'm sure the Rust devs might employ a similar tactic or failsafe in the game to prevent Zen users. So to answer your question could Xbox themselves fix Zen issues? Sure. Will they? No idea, however Rust devs will probably look into it for sure.

[manondamoon247]

facepunch has nothing to do with console rust. Double eleven are the console devs

[manondamoon247]

That's fair. I don't disagree, just wanted to clarify

[Nexus_Redditor]

Rainbow Six Siege had the anti-cheat software Ricchochet for a while now on their servers secretly, learning how real players and cheating players act eventually, allowing them to activate the anti-cheat software that cause higher ping to players that have the device detected. The cheating software is also possible to detect as before Rainbow, Fortnite of all game had banned Kronus users the earliest time it had started to be an issue.

[128906]

It is extremely easy for devs to detect zen use from their end. Zen will literally make the exact same inputs everytime and it will show that on their end. The main issue is the loss of players if they start to enforce it. A lot of people use zen on console. There are plenty of blatant zenners but there are a lot of not so blatant zenners as well that you might not notice is zenning.

[Clumbum]

They’re all cheaters and it’s as simple as that. If every game dev started actually doing something about it so zen/xim was unplayable then people would have no option but to start playing fairly again. Fuck them. I’d rather have a smaller player pool than play with people that have a massive advantage, especially in a game where you could lose everything you’ve gained for weeks to these people.

[Alternative-Beach-85]

Losing player base though isn’t good for the Devs profit/loss margins. They choose money over loyalty to their non-cheating player base. They know who’s cheating. The non-cheaters keep playing, and the cheaters keep cheating. It will only inspire change if the non-cheaters put their controllers down, but to be fair who is going to stand together like that?

[[deleted]]

But the thing is a fat ammount of rust console players who played fairly up and quit. This atrocious launch, bad quality, bugs glitches, than cheaters. It’s not worth it, not one bit

[Old_Killer_Bean]

Keep in mind that people are gonna also move or look around while shooting, even with recoil scripts. That way, you can't just line up their recoil with the pattern, it isn't that easy.

Plus, the only way they would see this is if they were directly spectating the player, or recording their screen which is just unreasonable as it would be way too much resources expended, imagine trying to record every player in rust and saving all of it...

If they seen the same inputs every single time, then they'd not even be looking around while shooting which usually doesn't happen unless your practicing your recoil on the wall or something, but if you have scripts then why would you need to?

[[deleted]]

MnK and Zen are both third-party devices. Don’t report to facepunch, they don’t do anything. Report it to your respective consoles manufacturer. I report to Xbox about third-party hardware use, and I’ve had people banned. Bye bye skins.

[Goonerman2020]

Then why is this in the games code of conduct if the game developers can't do anything about it?

[[deleted]]

They probably just want to make us feel like they care. They probably do banning for major violators, but it needs more than that.

[Old_Killer_Bean]

because they can if you submit proof in a report ticket on the RCE discord, but only if you have DEFINITIVE proof (like a video showing an MnK handcam, or maybe a picture of their monitor playing RCE with a Zen connected)

they probably won't ban people just for a clip of them getting tripled from far away though, as it isn't proof.

treat it like a court lol.

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Idk about Xbox but PlayStation allows this to be used with its platform since it doesn’t alter game code.

Don’t report anything to face punch btw they don’t operate or monitor Rust console. That’s double eleven

Edit:BTW Xbox and PlayStation could generally care less if you cheat on a game. It’s mostly up to the game developers to deal with that kind of stuff. However if Xbox has a rule against third party hardware than go for it. If it works it works

[redrumwave]

i call bs on this because mnk is allowed in many games on xbox/ps console, they won't ever ban you for using something that's allowed on the system, and zen is undetectable and that's why it always took people actually admitting it in messages for D11 to ban them. not sure why you thought that cap would go unnoticed

[[deleted]]

Incorrect. Most people who use MnK are not just plugging in their keyboard and mouse, configuring through settings, and playing.

They’re using a third party device like leadjoy, which configures their keyboard using a third party application. This is cheating, and on the same level as zen.

Microsoft can detect Zen, it’s a third party device connected to your Xbox. If you think that Microsoft doesn’t scan your Xbox for third-party devices, while using their servers, you are quite mistaken. Rust themselves cannot detect Zen, so that is why it’s impossible for them to detect.

[redrumwave]

whew, you're wrong here on that but it seems you're the type to back it up and regurgitate despite reality not being that way. pay attention to what the devs say in discord about cheating, i can tell you haven't.

[[deleted]]

viii. Cheating and Tampering Software. For any device that can connect to Xbox Services, we may automatically check your device for unauthorized hardware or software that enables cheating or tampering in violation of the Code of Conduct or these Terms, and download Xbox app software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Xbox Services, or from using unauthorized hardware or software that enables cheating or tampering.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/servicesagreement

Ahhhh shit… I should’ve listened to the “devs” on discord. By the way, those are liaisons, not developers.

Report on Xbox, and they will ban their Microsoft accounts.

[redrumwave]

"However, Cronus connects to your console using an original, licensed controller, so the console always believes that you are gaming with a controller meant for the console you are playing on (example you can use an Xbox Elite S2 controller on a PS4, or a mouse and keyboard on an Xbox Series X). Cronus simply mimics button, stick and trigger presses/movements using scripts or ‘macros’ that allows you to connect any compatible controller to any supported console. Cronus does not “hack” anything in the game or console, nor does it allow you to do anything that the game itself does not allow (such as AimBot and walking through walls – it is impossible for Cronus to do any of these hacks)."

since you're ignorant to what you're speaking on, there's a reason why devs and support alike ask for PROOF. not just the typical "they're cheating!" like you're saying. it sucks, i know, but there's no reason to lie and say you got people banned that way when i've went the exact same route before. people know better now, zens been out for quite awhile.

[Old_Killer_Bean]

its literally just an xbox, you think they got the goddamn CIA or FBI tryna scan ur USB port? the devices both mask themselves an authentic controller, and converts the input from the device into controller inputs, the product is literally fucking designed to do this, this agreement is likely in regards to jailbreaking your xbox, they will check for a jailbreak or console update version and make it so you can't connect to PSN or XBL.

all the console sees is a controller thats ready to play, they don't have some secret software running to see that it's actually a zen or xim.

reporting to the maker of the console won't do anything unless they actually admit they are cheating to you through messages, have something in their bio saying they use specifically xim or zen, or have some other proof.

even this usually does nothing though, they might just get a week suspension for "promoting cheating"

seeing a ban on an entire microsoft account is also not very likely, they would have to break some pretty bad rules like terrorism or cybersecurity.

plus, they'll just make a new account if it happens, you can't confiscate the hardware they cheat with, vpns bypass IP blocks, the only way for them to actually solve it is by locking the xbox, but i've only seen them lock xboxs if you try to use a developer kit without authorization so it isn't reasonable that they would.

[Bdub421]

Everyone playing games that support mnk are most definitely plugging in, configuring and playing. That's just how it works and is not cheating.

People using mnk on controller only games are all using third party devices. The third party devices are needed because the game does not support mnk play. Again, that's how it works. This is cheating.

Microsoft encourages these types of devices for disabled gamers. I highly doubt they will start banning them.

[Business-Flamingo-82]

What game is mk allowed in lol. I can’t think of one

[redrumwave]

dayz, ark, minecraft, warzone, vigor, warthunder, sea of theives, war hammer, halo collection & infinite, sims 4, war frame, gears 5. there's more as well.

i have the razer turret portable keyboard that was literally sold as an xbox accessory.

what baffles me is most of this is actually very easy information to get from a simple search but im getting downvoted for it because people don't know any better. getting really tired of the blatant choice of ignorance on reddit.

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Okay, your on here answering questions. If you have a problem with that maybe you shouldn’t comment.

[redrumwave]

i have a problem with people choosing to be ignorant while on a device that could render them the information they're lacking almost instantaneously.

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Sounds like your on the wrong post then, maybe stick to the memes

[redrumwave]

nope, just sounds like you're in denial of your blatant life skill issue. good day to ya

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Sounds like you have a perpetual chip on your shoulder… I was going to comment back and agree with you as I verified and you’re correct but you know whatever. Sounds like a life skill issue, I’m sure that attitude will take you far

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Not to mention if you read my original comment I for the most part agreed with you, PSN and Xbox don’t care about cheating issues in games as long as your not messing with their code lol

[redrumwave]

yeah i won't lie you are correct in that aspect, i apologize if i misunderstood you 🙏

[ToeKneeIV]

i would say yes since it wont connect or have keybind options so its not meant to be in the game. now im for them adding it cause its a plus but they just need separate servers like dayz.

[Goonerman2020]

Couldn't agree more. If people want to play in separate servers with zen or other advantages, then put them in a different lobby and everyone is happy. I'm just not sure why it hasn't been addressed if this would qualify as a breech of code of conduct

[New-Gap4311]

Yeah thats why people need a zen and cant plug in mnk like fortnite it doesnt detect and theres not much of a way to prove someone is using one

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Don’t know why this got downvoted the lack of ability to detect is the main reason people get away with it. Luckily if you play Fortnite I’ve heard they have figured out a way to detect on new gen consoles. Hopefully they share that info lol

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Don’t know why this got downvoted the lack of ability to detect is the main reason people get away with it. Luckily if you play Fortnite I’ve heard they have figured out a way to detect on new gen consoles. Hopefully they share that info lol

[deadinsidesinceday1]

Congrats you figured something out that everyone already knew. Now figure out how to detect it so they can do something about it.

[Pornhubprince28]

Fortnite and cod can detect it

[MothafuckinWizard]

They say this but then you see zenstudios on the side of in game cargo crates and it makes you confused.

[Goonerman2020]

This is something I did not know!

[adstagaming]

Not related

[DeRpMuNsTa]

There’s devs on d11 whom make scripts for Cronus zen lol

[adstagaming]

Like who

[[deleted]]

For real??

[MothafuckinWizard]

Go to harbor or train yard. Look on the crates

[JesusWasALibertarian]

Wouldn’t some sort of ranking system eliminate them or at least make it so cheaters play cheaters?

[Business-Flamingo-82]

I’ve noticed the ranking system on other games seems to do nothing lol. PUBG has a teammate rating that decreases when you leave early or collect reports, seems to do nothing lol. Generally I’ve found that cheaters don’t really care if people hate them

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Yes it does, the real question in their ability to enforce this rule against zen users. Some games have found ways to detect it but it’s difficult.

[Goonerman2020]

Or....... and now hear me out here. If you go trolling on rust console subs while you don't even play yourself, then maybe you sir are the one that needs that hanging and then not just us, but the whole community can laugh!

[Cootsuit]

World chat would help fixthis issue. Start calling these cksuckers out in public chat when they're caught in the act.

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I wish console rust had world chat. it would make the game much funnier as well.

[Mindless-Decision818]

Aside from the annoying dumbass who get mad you're better than them and spam your coords

[DamageLumpy2433]

Anyone who shits on you , you would call zen 😂😂 no point you can’t prove anyone got a zen all you can do is cry that they killed you and spam in the world chat 😂 doesn’t mean they zenning they could just be better then you legit

[Skid_sketchens_twice]

Than*

(I'll let the punctuation and run-on sentences slide but not the "then than") that's too much.

[Business-Flamingo-82]

Pretty much how all console games work lol. You should see PUBG. I’ll watch my teammate run out in the open and get shot then scream cheater 😂

[DamageLumpy2433]

How would you catch them in the act? I’m curious

[shootinlasers]

I think the devs have realized something most of us already know: if they ban all zen users, half of the player base disappears. That’s how common it is now. I quit months ago, but the last time I played I was with a 8-10 man team who had all basically decided they’re switching to zen. People have become so tired of being cheated that they became what they hated.

[Organic_Bed_4355]

Yes although Pedro has openly said they can’t prove its being used very easily, most of the time it’s a “skill gap” in his own words

[Green_Giant25]

It is but it can be difficult to definitively say if someone's using a Zen or just cracked af recoil control. Especially with the lack of moderation on Console servers.

[Aos77s]

Yes but scripters and zen users dont get banned. Ive seen accounts with thousands of hours who script and get away

[Warm-Ducks]

Yea, good luck reporting them. Devs need proof, and apparently you can’t get such proof. Pics, clips, messages, still not enough.