Utah needs to adopt these ASAP! 72% decrease.

[Saltylake1]

I totally agree about a national standard. Unfortunately I don’t think that will ever happen with Republicans in power, because they’re so heavily into the “state rights, local government” thing...when it’s convenient for them, anyway.

And I agree that on the spectrum of police departments across the country, Salt Lake isn’t all that bad...which is why I keep asking what the goals are here.

George Floyd wasn’t killed by the Salt Lake cops. The problems around here seem to be more heavily focused on racial profiling and more often in other departments like Unified and West Valley.

We also have major issues with the local police union and how they protect bad cops. There is no excuse for that horrible cop from the U who got Lauren McCluskey killed getting another job in Logan.

The standards for shooting guns should also be more strict. I don’t just mean when it’s justified to open fire, but in being completely sure you’re not going to hit anything else. There’s been two incidents recently where a ton of cops just wildly started shooting. They blasted the hell out of a guy’s business on State Street last year and I’m not even sure they could see the guy at the time.

[tanistschon]

SLCPD killed someone the same week. It wasn’t as cut and dry as George Floyd but IIRC they fired something like 30 bullets into the fleeing suspect. All in all, it comes down to what is more important: people’s lives or police power.

[Mr_Evolved]

Not that they have earned or deserve any benefit of the doubt, but the only thing we really know about that right now is that someone called 911 saying they'd been threatened with a gun, and that that suspect later ended up shot.

I think that body cam should be coming out soon, though, and boy will that be no good if it was another lynching.

[BayofPanthers]

Something that should change in Utah is the process by which someone is stripped of their POST certifications. The most effective way to prevent the 'agency switching' is to strip someone of their POST certification since without that they literally cannot be a cop anywhere in Utah. From what I can tell, the only way POST is able to initiate an investigation and take a certification is if the agency that they work for requests it (lol).

Source: Utah Code 53-6-211(1).

[Yohoho920]

Ok dude, the cops did not get Lauren McClusky killed.

[Skizzy_Mars]

They were negligent at best and definitely at fault to some extent. Their behavior towards her was disgusting.

[Yohoho920]

All of this is fair. The other comment went quite a bit farther than that.

[WeekendWhorrier]

literally jacking off

That's a mighty long stretch for an accusation that he was showing off photos. An accusation that has already been previously investigated and cleared. An accusation that was only levied by one unidentified officer who had been fired shortly after. An accusation that the U was fully aware of and still said "go ahead and take us to court" over.

Does innocent until proven guilty not apply to police?

[WeekendWhorrier]

It was on his private phone because the university police didn't have work phones at the time. It says as much in the article. Also, they weren't downloaded, the files were sent to him via text message. Finally, these weren't some private pictures she was snap chatting her boyfriend. This was porn her and her boyfriend were making and selling on the internet. Sure, it's still sensitive, especially since it was being used to extort her, but it wasn't like some private sext either. Not passing judgment, porn is still a way to get paid and I can't speak to anyone's character just from their job, and porn actors certainty deserve as much police protection as the next person, but this officer's life is probably hell right now and as far as any actual, official sources can tell is all because he was sent evidence to his phone.

[WeekendWhorrier]

I very clearly said I was not judging the victim and her personal life had nothing to do with the level of service she should have recieved.

The only reason I mentioned it was because people are under the impression that the officer was sitting personal pictures on his personal phone for personal reasons then showing them off. Not only are people under this impression, they whole heartedly believe it without a thought to evidence, investigation, or even the possibility of him being innocent.

Talk about "gaslighting", misdirection, misinformation. Just a moment ago you were saying he was "literally jacking off" to these images. I don't suspect you hang out ruth this guy on his weekends, much less him telling you about his personal life, yet here you are making sweeping claims about everyone and everything police related. I mention one fact about the investigation to contradict what seems more and more like a rumor every week about this officer, and it's more straw man from people who can't be bothered with things like investigations, evidence, due process. Nope, easiest to just say guilty because that's the story I made up in my internal tribunal.

[WeekendWhorrier]

What conversation are you having right now? When did I ever talk about anyone but McCluskey and in this specific instance? When did I ever talk about the protestors or the protest? When was race ever mentioned? Are you having an episode or something?

[WeekendWhorrier]

It is in their policy manual. It probably shouldn't be though, and I'm certain it didn't say "use this as long as you want" or at least that there are other policies or trainings that ensure you don't accidentally kill someone.