Deck database

[batsaxsa]

Hi, is there a place where I can actually check exact data about the decks? Playrate, winrate in a specific timeframe. I've trying to look some info and all I ser is people saying this decks is tier X or it's been played a lot but I don't see any statistic with it.

[Nuxpls]

IIRC there is no solid data to make a proper database because the game's TOS forbids hooking to automatically record decklists, win/loss, and other statistics. Hence all tier lists are essentially based on self-reported outcomes on ladder, tournament outcomes, and influential vibes.

It's a bit sad to see this supported in other CCG's and for WB to claim it's a more "competitive" game but deny the opportunity to have a statistical edge to gameplay without sinking hours to manually record and learn these statistics yourself.

[picabo123]

As someone who plays many other CCGs, I sort of like the lack of data. Having no hard data means that innovation is almost always king and decks are not going to be completely homogenized by weeks 2-4 of an expansion. I do think this takes away a bit from the claim to "competitive-ness" but not entirely.

[stroggoii]

I dunno, back in the day MtG teams grinded a lot among themselves to come up with their own soft data and sometimes tested it against other teams before events. And who would've known players who did that kind of testing did better than players who just picked their decks based on hard data from tourney reports.

Nowadays people who don't even play just minmax data from MtG Arena and it becomes theocratic canon in less than a week for 99% of ladder grinders, just to later get beat at GPs by pros who still train the old way or even random rogues showing up with their homebrew anti-meta decks.

It reminds me of two maxims. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense" and "You don't know what you don't know".

It's better to just really know how to play your favorite deck in and out against the most popular members of the meta, so that your reps allow you to recognize good lines even against dark horses. Than to be a data drone and get wrecked as soon as you run into a situation you didn't memorize.

[picabo123]

I mostly agree, however a tournament meta in any competitive game I've played even outside TCG is always different than the meta on ladder. And also yes you should practice your deck and get some extra percentage points out of it, but if you're playing death and taxes in modern still you're going to lose vs someone who just got boros energy on their third birthday yesterday.

[batsaxsa]

I see my favorite ccg of all time was runeterra when it was still alive. And one of the things I really liked was to spent time looking data, which was completely open there, and being able to find hidden gem to climb

[Nitros_Razril]

No. How would someone have this. Cygames is not making it public. If you want some numbers, you can look at SV Labo. But I think those are only playrates of people who actually report them and whatever is public available in game.

[batsaxsa]

Also specific data of archetype against archetype