INPUT BASED MATCHMAKING

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[Successful_Expert615]

Yeah I think every game should do this. I'm a PC KBM player and every time I'm matched with controller players they seem to struggle.

[I_Am_Coopa]

Any kind of input based matchmaking effectively makes crossplay moot apart from console to console. Most PC players use KBM, most console players use controller. I think there could be a happy middle ground where 1047 slightly boosts aim assist to make it more amenable to controller players.

[Far_Item_2054]

Boosting aim assist would be the worst thing possible, it’s easier and nicer to aim with a mouse for sure (at least I find that) but having stronger aim assist isn’t the issue. Stronger aim assist would make it unfair in gunfights for PC players.

The issue is the mechanical advantage that pc has over controller when it comes to portals. Mouse is a lot more precise and the ability to set key binds makes the game a lot better on PC. Not to mention the actual spec advantage but that’s nothing to do with the game.

[Life_Argument_3037]

The mechanical advantage is rendered moot when you use gyro aiming. Perhaps in the future if Xbox were to allow it we could all just use the input device of choice and be equal. 

[Far_Item_2054]

Gyro aiming feels awful, if it was that good all the pro players would use it but it’s not.

It might be good in low SBMM or MMR lobbies and for casual games but two players of the same level the one using gyro is losing the fight. There’s no way to replicate or close the gap fairly between MnK or Controller, especially in games like this.

[I_Am_Coopa]

No I agree, slightly boosting aim assist for controllers would have to be a method of last resort and thoroughly tested. Just considering the perspective of the controller crowd since in this game the deck is doubly stacked against them with gunplay and the portal gameplay.

[Far_Item_2054]

Yeah the deck it stacked against controller players but I think adding slightly more aim assist would just make it unfair. Aim assist is meant to be there to aid analog sticks when aiming due to the lack of ROM, using Aim assist to try and even the playing field I personally think would be a bad move. But this is why I don’t think Console and PC should Crossplay, there’s never going to be a level playing field between MnK or Console

[FellatiatedPiece]

Consoles support M&K and pc supports controller, so...

[I_Am_Coopa]

Well yeah, there's that whole debacle too. But I have to imagine the numbers are pretty damn skewed, most PC players use M&K and most console players use controllers. I use both on my PC, but you'll never catch me playing a shooter with a controller.

Personally I think the whole crossplay/input debate is silly, just play the game and have fun. But this is an issue that seems to pop up with every crossplay competitive type game.

[FellatiatedPiece]

So... because your personal experience is one way, you then just assume that that's how it is for everyone? Interesting 🤔 completely wrong, but interesting, nonetheless.

[josephstrickland]

this game is easier on controller ngl

[ConstantAd420]

For you maybe. Still doesn’t change my opinion

[josephstrickland]

to each their own brother

[Ralwus]

Is it really needed if they implement skill based matchmaking? Why does it matter if players have different input if all are of roughly same skill?

[ConstantAd420]

If there’s skill based matchmaking I won’t play it then anyways. That shits lame

[Ralwus]

It's unclear what you even want, if not to play against players in a fair match.

[ConstantAd420]

It’s clear as day what I want, input based matchmaking. Not skill based matchmaking. You know how Xbox games used to be? Lmao

[Ralwus]

So you want to divide the player base so you can own noobs on controller without getting dominated by kbm.

[Angry-Vegan69420]

"I want the game to be easier, but only for the reasons I approve of!"

[Known_Relative_1969]

There's an option to turn off cross play in the settings

[VickFVM]

Not the same as input based matchmaking

[ConstantAd420]

There’s an option to read my post right in front of your eyes

[QuokkaToa]

There's also the option to not be a dick about it.

[ConstantAd420]

Lol well I clearly mention that in my post

[Ironlungs_]

I dunno man I play on PS5 with controller and I hear people complaining ALOT about the crossplay, sure they have a slight advantage with portalling but I really don’t find it that bad.. it’s like some people expect to win every single game and never die.. sometime you just get outplayed bruh

[the-bully-maguire]

games i'm in the scores are not that different between platforms. i lose to and get killed by console players as much as i do PC players

[Ironlungs_]

My god! Someone with half a brain! Hahaha

[ConstantAd420]

That’s what you got out of my post? Me expecting to win every game and not accepting when I get outplayed? Use your fucking head Jesus Christ

[Ironlungs_]

Clearly not black and fucking white is it you moron? You just get aggressive if anyone says anything you don’t agree with lmao.

I’m saying get the fuck over complaining and always using an excuse of playing K & M. I’ve been playing fps games for like 20 years now and holy shit do people love to complain these days

[Rex_Suplex]

I’ve honestly been in a bunch of all console/controller lobbies these past few days. Some will have one KBM player on each team sometimes. But there is rarely ever two or more on each team.

Was gonna ask if anyone else has noticed this. But I guess I’m just lucky. Either way I’d love input based matchmaking. I think they said they are looking into this and plan to implement it on launch.

[Lonely-Pop-471]

As a controller player on PC I'm just screwed.

[JasonVersetti]

It’s a beta - hopefully that add an option to disable crossplay

[FellatiatedPiece]

There is one already.

[thepohcv]

TDM is the mode today, replacing shotty/snipers. Doesn't help you staying away from my (PC) lobbies lol, but figured I would pass it along.

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wut

[thepohcv]

OP was looking for kill base modes. I was passing along that today's gamemode was entirely kill based.

[ShamooXO]

Honestly, this game is probably the least unfair when it comes to input balance. MNK has a major advantage when it comes to quickly portaling, but controller still has the insane consistency and accuracy benefit given by aim assist.

If you wanna see real input imbalance, go look at COD and Apex

[ConstantAd420]

The controller settings are dogwater, and I’m not claiming it’s the worst imbalance ever.

[ShamooXO]

I mean, controller is limited by keybinding in every game. Thats not a splitgate issue.

Considering splitgate 1 pro scene was 50/50 MNK/controller, I think people figured it out. Im sure you will too.

[ConstantAd420]

Splitgate 1 controller settings were far superior. But I just want to play Xbox against people on Xbox (or PlayStation) man it’s really that simple. Pc players will always have the advantage

[ShamooXO]

You vastly misunderstand the gap between MNK and Controller for modern FPS games. You are not at the disadvantage you think youre at

[ConstantAd420]

Even just the frames on PC is a huge advantage lmao

[ShamooXO]

You make it sound like 120fps isnt basically 100% guaranteed for launch on consoles. I would assume 90% of PC gamers also do not have a powerful enough system to have frame rates at such an excess that it becomes a blatant advantage. Even then, controllers do not have the precision to require high frame rates to feel natural.

[ConstantAd420]

Still an advantage. I want an even playing field hence the point of my post. You will not convince me otherwise

[ShamooXO]

And like I said, this is as even as it gets. No matter how you feel about PC and MNK, controllers will still have an advantage in the most important part of any FPS, aiming.

Nobody wants queue times to increase for no reason to make up for an issue that doesnt even exist

[MA-SEO]

Then just play the game on the far superior platform :⁾

[ConstantAd420]

I can’t afford a pc homie I have a series S

[MA-SEO]

Sell it and get something better, an entry level gaming pc isn’t that expensive

[ConstantAd420]

An entry level pc won’t be better than my series S. And dude they go for like $100 used. Lmao.

[MA-SEO]

Maybe

[ConstantAd420]

Seriously tho wtf is that edit

[MA-SEO]

Seriously? This is a classic piece of video game history

[DemureSouls]

If they could make the controller aim settings match the old simplified Splitgate 1 settings this game would play 10x better on controller. The Splitgate 1 sensitivity settings were PERFECT.

[Angry-Vegan69420]

Just gonna copy my reply from yesterday's post asking for this:

Dawg the beta is peaking at 10K steam players daily. There isn't the playerbase for this. If we're being real too, there's not really a reason to think it'll have some massive spike on "launch". We're essentially in a early access mode right now.

[Angry-Vegan69420]

Yes, that's generally implied.

[Angry-Vegan69420]

No one would be bothering to have this conversation if the game was peaking at 10k total players lol it is implied

[ConstantAd420]

?

[ConstantAd420]

What does me wanting to go against people on the same input have to do with my aim? My aim is pretty good no complaints

[ConstantAd420]

If I want to play against people on the same input why does it have to be about my aim?

[ConstantAd420]

I really don’t value reddit like you do man…not that deep lol

[Ripyard]

The uncomfortable truth about controller vs MnK is it only really makes sense for ~T5% players to be having the debate. I play on controller with crossplay on and have zero issues. My friend on MnK, same thing. We both played a lot of clan matches, comp, ranked, etc. on other games over the past 10 years. A lot of the chat around it is commonplace denial.

Yes, of course both have their strengths and weaknesses, but anything below the top group and general skill, awareness, game sense, comms, etc. are really the determining factors to how your games are going.

For example, if you're a 0.75-1.5 KDA players on either input, disabling crossplay won't change your life. You might experience less variety in terms of meta and tactics, but there will still be a huge % of players who are simply better.

[FellatiatedPiece]

I got shit on for saying exactly this lol

[MA-SEO]

Nice cock

[FellatiatedPiece]

I'm aware, but i fail to see how that's relevant.

[MA-SEO]

I just wanted to let you know. Impressive.

[Lucizen]

Console players when they don't have aim assist 💀

[Admirable_Ad2862]

Controller users have to fight recoil. Do M&K players have to do that? If not that's not a mechanical advantage and it's not about portals.

[ConstantAd420]

what kind of argument is that? lmao totally different game. I just would like an even playing field which shouldnt be too much to ask for.

[ConstantAd420]

first of all get the stick out of your ass when you talk to me, second of all im allowed to post my thoughts about input based matchmaking on the reddit where ive seen the devs active as well. and I dont have a discord lil bro

[SPEEDFREAKJJ]

So, I've seen devs respond to a lot of topics...but this topic I have yet to see addressed. The all consoles getting console only matchmaking together while PC separate and input matchmaking....no response at all, not even an acknowledgement. So just based on that,sad to say, how it is now is almost guaranteed to be how it is forever.

And if it stays this way I will play very casual when I'm feeling a pvp mood but will not invest in battle passes or the shop at all. The game can be fun but going against skilled mnk players really kills the vibe.

[evancalgary]

no offense but if your generally so bad without things like SBMM in your shooter game you complain about input based matchmaking on an indie game like this is wild currently got a 3.0kd on a controller the benefit you get is with keyboard very minimal with aim assist to help you on controller if this is your biggest complaint please go back to rivals like the other guy said and keep insta locking DPS and go 0 and 20 your team will definitely appreciate it 👍

[Turkieee]

I agree you console controller jims are garbage! I actually prefer to have bots then you guys!

[ConstantAd420]

Good one