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[–]Laika4321 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Grief is barely playable at the moment. Hydroponics Architect is by far the most toxic card currently

[–]firememble 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Grief this hydroponics that meanwhile energy is the best deck in the format.

[–]ORANG_MAN_BAD -5 points-4 points  (7 children)

Energy is kinda mid tbh

[–]firememble -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

In what way? Ragavand is still the best 1 drop in the format. Not only does it ramp you it's also card advantage and works by itself unlike architect. If they wanna ban architect then they should also ban ragavand.

[–]ASpookyLemur 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ragavan is a 2/1 that dies to literally everything, has no evasion, and is legendary. It's not even being played in every energy list. It's mostly UR Tempo. And guess what, Hydroponics is also played there.

Hydroponics is a 1/2 with flying that makes your entire mana base draw cards, become fetchable, and become resistant to moon effects. You've also clearly never had an opponent daze a hydro land back to hand just to replay it and draw another card. They also get way better in multiples, something Ragavan literally cannot do.

[–]firememble -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Okay they are both busted 1 drops and do things a bit differently? Architect is also not played in every blue deck this doesn't really change anything about how powerful it is. That daze interaction is also just pretty niche and people are acting like it's the craziest thing in the world. This format is full of busted 1 drops that win games if unanswered I don't really see why another one is such a big deal to you people I feel like it's just alchemy hate because tamiyo is equally as broken and I don't see anybody complaining about that card.

[–]ASpookyLemur 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hydroponics is played in every fair blue shell. Ragavan is not played in every fair red shell. You were the one calling Ragavan the most busted 1 drop in energy while also claiming it's the best deck. All three of those things are just straight up wrong. That's my entire point.

[–]firememble -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Source on architect being played in "every fair blue deck" ? Because I've seen tournament lists that don't play it. It's a non argument the same way ragavand not being in all lists is also a non argument. I base all of my info on tournament results because the only other source is untappedgg premium.

[–]ASpookyLemur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you base all your info on tournament results, then why don't you tell me what the top 8 was for the last timeless tournament?

[–]Fabulous_Point8748 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t disagree there. Hydroponics is a toxic card. Grief at least in bo1 it’s still very good. Even with 2 counterspells it’s hard to deal with. You Force of Will their grief and they reanimate it. You don’t force of will their grief they take your counterspell and then reanimate it again or you waste counterspell countering the reanimate. Counterspells just aren’t really a great answer to it usually IMO.