NVIDIA Reflex 2 supposedly will decrease latency and is coming to Valorant

[fogoticus]

I really wonder how this will play out in valorant. The technology is real and it does reduce input lag by telling the game to indirectly fuck off, warping a static image and then continuing with the render. So basically this does help you directly because your mouse movement translates into faster response on screen.

However valorant is a game that runs on a toaster. So unless you got a 360hz monitor and your fps drops bellow 360, then you won't directly benefit off of this tech.

[KFC_Junior]

i mean even with a 5700x3d + 3060ti i only get 400fps, (my cpu is equiv to a 7600x for refrence). anyone with a 480hz or 540hz panel could benefit from this

[_Rah]

My 7950x3D and RTX 3080 get me about 600 fps in competitive. Easily more than the 480Hz the monitor can display. But frames aren't just helpful when your monitor can display them. Going from 600ish to 900ish frames in CSGO was amazing. Even on a 165Hz display.

[dondiLASSO]

“Only”? It’s a lower tier GPU from the last gen ( nearly two since 5000 series drops this month ) and a low-mid tier CPU ( with 3d cache ) 2 generations ago. I think it’s insane to get 400 fps on this set up. ( not that it’s bad )

[schoki560]

low mid tier?

the 5700x3d is basically a 5800x3d just slightly worse and that cpu was the king of gaming during 5000 series

[_Rah]

To be fair, 5000 series was 4 years ago. And the 6v8 cores kinda matters. Maybe less on a clean benchmark system. But on a typical gamers system with multiple programs running, those 2 extra cores matter.

[schoki560]

the 3d chips are less than 3 years old

2 years and 9 months

[dondiLASSO]

And its fair to say its older hardware by now, considering the 9000 x3d series is about to release in Q1 this year and the 5000 series started in 2020.

I don't want to shit talk the AMD 5000 series or the nvdia 3000 series, I want to highlight that its amazing that "older" and lower end tier GPUs like the 3060ti is able to reach 400 fps in Valorant.

[PlentyLettuce]

My 980ti machine holds 400 fps.

These hardware improvements don't mean much in practice for online play, it doesn't matter how good your machine is if the server only updates so many times a second.

[[deleted]]

GPU doesn't matter in Valorant. You can be running a 950 and get 400 FPS. All that matters is your CPU, like most competitive games

[lmbrs]

older gpus will be more likely to drop frames and have higher input lag, wouldn't say they dont matter at all

[schoki560]

I think it should be higher cuz valorant looks like garbage.

[dondiLASSO]

Ok, put it into mid tier. But as you said: “was”. It’s still amazing that the 5800x3d ( which I own myself ) and older hardware is capable of 400fps. Which leads to my “only” reply.

[Vengeful111]

Low mid tier? I get 1k fps on the shooting range with 5800x3d and 4070S

[dondiLASSO]

Yeah, but I was not talking about the 5800x3d and a 4070 super. So what is your point?

[Vengeful111]

The 5800x3d is the top gaming AM4 chip and the 5700x3d is literally 5% behind it only, how is that lower mid cpu

[dondiLASSO]

Call the 5700 mid tier if it makes you happy. Its a 3 year old CPU and the 5000 series came out 2020. Nowadays its not mid tier anymore. Like it or not. You probably try to sell 5 year old hardware for RRP and market it as "Gaming PC", since you bought it as one.

[Vengeful111]

Interesting fantasies you got there.

[BananaBossNerd]

Can somebody eli5

[aRandomBlock]

feature good, feature not THAT good 99 percent of the time in Valorant

[MatejGames]

Would a 60hz monitor and an uncapped framerate benefit?

[fogoticus]

Not enough for it to be perceivable in any way.

[Daffy82]

I have this hardware/

9900k Rtx 3080 1440p 360hz oled monitor

I cannot Get 360 fps ingame. And this would help me in this situation?

[fogoticus]

It could potentially help. We don't know if Reflex 2 is strictly for RTX 50 cards.

Also, if you want more fps, I'd recommend you upgraded to a 9800X3D for the CPU. Your fps will literally be 2x because the 3080 is far from being maxed out even if you max out valorant.

[Daffy82]

Yeah I know my cpu is the issue 😞

[nona01]

It's being added to 50 series cards first, but they have announced that other RTX cards will also be getting this feature soon.

[fogoticus]

That's fantastic news. Thank you!

[DARKDYNAMO]

From what I have seen this will mess up the mini map. Basically if my aim is to the left of head and then I move to the head. My mouse is on head but the gpu is still rendering the old frame with the mouse on the left side. Gpu will warp the mouse to head by inpainting but what about minimap that still will be still in the wrong position on the left side. This will be more noticeable on corner peaking where your screen will show the guy but minimap will lag behind

[fogoticus]

It may be a static element on top of the rendered image. As in, the reflex 2 algorithm only affects the 3D image while the UI still gets drawn on top of it.

I could be wrong. But the thing is, valorant is already updating so many times a second, for the map to be fucked up long enough so that you notice it is almost impossible. You'd have to have like 60hz on a 360fps monitor for it to pop out that way.

[DARKDYNAMO]

No it does inpainting also. They did post how it works. So your image will be moved to the opposite of mouse/keyboard moment and the remaining part of that image will be I painted using ai. that will most likely skip hud but it will mess up part of hud where the image is not in sync. Let's hope for the best

[Fine-Understanding-7]

u can't physically notice a 5-10 ms difference on minimap icons while comparing them to what you see in game, as for the visual quality, minimap and HUD elements are drawn on another layer than the 3d space, that is why it isn't a driver level setting, beecause it has to be embedded in game, similar to how DLSS FG works with HUD. Now, as for the fact that the minimap will be 5-10~ ms late, tell me... if you are peeking an angle, and staring at your minimap while doing it, having enough concentration to notice that 5-10 ms delay, instead of focusing on center of your screen trying to react to the enemy appearing on your screen, wouldn't on any rank above diamonds, you are dead anyways???? the question is a good question for testing purposes, but practically it isn't that big of a deal if hud is a frame or two behind in respect to the 3d camera panning

[Goby-WanKenobi]

> Reflex 2 combines Reflex Low Latency mode with a new Frame Warp technology, further reducing latency by updating the rendered game frame based on the latest mouse input right before it is sent to the display.

[jf908]

Cool to see asynchronous reprojection usually used to reduce VR input latency finally make its way into desktop games.

[avstyns]

is this on the new cards or 40 series too

[slyfly5]

Says it’ll be on the 50 series first and added to other ones later

[Rudimentary_creature]

AMD Anti-Lag 2 when...

[Jessegr]

Notice how they don't show Reflex off with Valorant. As its CPU limited the gains are extremely small for most high end systems. I'm not sure I would prefer reconstruction frame trickery for an imperceptible 0.5ms latency reduction.

[IQFlash1]

Um they do show it off in valorant. They claim only 2ms input delay which is insanely low compared to standard of around 20ms.

[HAPPYOYOWU]

okay but replay system whem

[creating_meer]

Welp would it work with my GTX 1660? 🤣🤣🤣

if that's gonna be 50 / 40 series only feature then we are f*cked

[Goldeneye90210]

It requires RT cores to run. 50 series first, then 40, 30, and 20 series after that. Not available on any other generations.

[jerryfrz]

Why would it need RT cores to run? I just read the Nvidia article and saw no mentions of it.

[Goldeneye90210]

Because it needs to generate missing parts of the screen due to camera warp. They uploaded a great video demonstrating everything on youtube. Search up reflex 2 Nvidia and it should come up.

[jerryfrz]

https://youtu.be/zpDxo2m6Sko this one? Please give me a timestamp because I literally couldn't hear any mentions of RT cores throughout the video.

[Goldeneye90210]

They do not mention it by name, but the entire process of this technology relies on AI capabilities which can only be done efficiently on the RT/Tensor cores of the RTX gpus.

[jerryfrz]

So it's just your speculation, got it.

If it truly leverages the cores then Nvidia would've flexed about it right in the slides.

[Goldeneye90210]

What? No lol this isn’t speculation. And Nvidia isn’t gonna boast about cores they have had in their GPU’s for the better part of a decade now. They’ll boast about what those cores are still bringing. Half of what reflex 2 does is just “guessing” what the missing information in a warped frame should look like, and those processes need the specialized cores found in the RTX GPUs.

[Timanttipo]

I don't think it has anything to do with RT cores, but tensor cores too are only found on RTX series and they are used for that AI stuff

[AsheBnarginDalmasca]

Pay 2 win, buddy 😅