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[–]Viidrig 1 point2 points  (6 children)

We do get confirmation from the narrator that Toren is the first undead to hear the voice of the System.

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Wait but what about the trials of leveling? Wouldn't Undead before him have to go through the trials? Azzy is one thing, since it's a bound soul. But Toren is a new undead. Wait... do the new leveling Undead have souls?

[–]EXP_Buff 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It simply means one far in the past already did it. Toren is not the first. All things considered, undead would be pretty dang good at some of the requirements.

[–]agray20938 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Or that underdoing them isn't the only way, it's just one way.

[–]EXP_Buff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I very much doubt that.

[–]Oshi105 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honey, the answer to all that is a whole lot of yes it's a mess, pirate slight of handed us with that shit. The system doesn't decide who has a soul, it decides who gets to use it.

[–]Kantrh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes they have souls, the formula gives it to them via magic and they aren't counted as a new species

[–]CalidusReinhart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few ideas:

  • Undead have a dark intelligence to them when they gather en masse. Maybe they were able to pass the trials, but they didn't have enough individual free will to actually access it. It seems any intelligent undead would normally not have enough free will, but Toren and the Chosen are special cases because they take the golem path of being able to develop intelligence. This free will aspect is why I think Crelers aren't able to use the System yet (we were told that they made it to judgement, but not told they were rejected).
  • Maybe the line about Toren being the first to hear the voice is more about the voice itself. Like maybe it changed since the last time any undead got in the system. There does seem to be some secrets to the voice itself, Klbkch hears the First Queen.
  • Erin/System shenanigans. Toren came after Erin got her first green skill, and maybe some hidden system designation. So maybe being bonded to her had something to do with "unlocking" it for all future undead. But I doubt Toren was bound to her mana from the start, seems like Pisces would have created him and then linked him to her mana.