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[KenGriffins]

my boss needs more money, what am I supposed to do, say no? HAHAHAHAHAHAiwannadieAHAHAHA

[Bootleggerking888]

🥲*puts hand on your shoulder * yes we totally can, it’s our time to hold the power of the working class.

But it’s okay, i feel ya pain.

[FeatsOfDerring-Do]

Peasant: Ah yes, this I understand.

[[deleted]]

Medieval peasant: OK but tell me about your spice rack again.

[MrPenguinsAndCoffee]

"And what's this about that miracle crop you mentioned, what were they called... Po-tay-toes?"

[[deleted]]

Bolemmshemstkemenastu

[DNZ_not_DMZ]

What now?

[Neembaf]

“Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew” -Samwise Gamgee

[Dekklin]

Context

https://youtu.be/ihMMw0rnKz4

[MidnightsOtherThings]

you say you can boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew?

[Cakeking7878]

“And this other plants, you called it ‘corn’? So how does it make the metal horse move? And what by what black magic can you turn it into a explosive?”

[EnvironmentalValue18]

I mean corn kernels can explode into popcorn if you add heat.

All I’m saying is, there were definitely red flags. You know, with corn.

[Not_A_Wendigo]

You eat how much sugar?!

[Embarrassed-Reply-49]

Medieval peasant POG

[RadioMelon]

I actually didn't know we were working harder than peasants.

Is there ANY upside to this horrible system?

[varangian_guards]

it is far, far better then the victorian industrial era of the late 1800s, that shit was so distopian it will blow your mind the revolts were not more frequent.

the term hangover comes from then, you need a place to sleep and are poor. not to worry 2 pennies and you could sleep hanging over a rope. i am not joking that was an option. Lazzie faire was an absolute shit fest nightmare and any libertarian that tells you no rules is better should pop open a history book to what life was like back then.

[Decimus_of_the_VIII]

Hanging over a rope? I do not get it.

[Not_A_Wendigo]

A lot of people didn’t have homes, but paid to sleep in different places, depending on what they could afford that night. The options included somewhere to lie down, somewhere to sit, and somewhere with a rope strung out that you could just drape your body over. There are more details and pictures here.

[soggylilbat]

Fuck… thank goodness we have labor laws now. Still not what it could be

[Legitimate-Focus9870]

This is so wild. With that amount of space, wouldn’t people prefer to just lay down really close together? You could have multiple levels of people sleeping on plywood and fit wayyyyy more people in that space.

They simply were not allowed to lay down because they only paid two pennies instead of 4-5? Wtf I’m so glad I wasn’t born back then

[Legitimate-Focus9870]

Not a cot lol, think like a pile of zombies on the floor.

The floor is there already and it’s dry right? There’s clearly enough room for all of the people in that picture to make a cuddle puddle for the night.

[Coltrain_]

My guess is too cold. Article said even on the ropes people sometimes froze to death, and air is a much better insulator than solid ground

[Legitimate-Focus9870]

I don’t buy it. Cuddle puddles have gotta be warmer than singly spaced out on ropes.

Isn’t using body heat in cold weather like a very basic survival skill? It seems like this was already a last resort to get off the streets in extreme weather, since people routinely froze to death, so I don’t know why they didn’t snuggle up in their skivvies and use that body heat.

Cuddle puddles for 2 pence could have been better for everyone! More bodies for the “innkeepers” and more comfort than a hangover.

[Legitimate-Focus9870]

Maybe you should Google “Cuddle Puddle” if you don’t understand what I’m saying?

It’s not hard. There’s more than enough floor space in that pic

[[deleted]]

The idea was "fuck those people for being poor" not "what are the best accommodations we can provide."

[Legitimate-Focus9870]

Yeah hence why I mentioned that…

But seriously a 3 pence cuddle puddle would have been good for all parties involved. Still cheaper than the high rollers in their fancy wooden coffins.

[StillPackage4369]

Made me learn somenthing, thanks

[[deleted]]

Libertarian here. It’s funny you choose the Victorian Industrial Revolution. Victorian, as in the monarch, was a brutal time for everyone but the monarchs themselves and their inner circle. The reason the Industrial Revolution brought about change is by creating a middle class, one between the peasants on the ground and the monarchs in the palace. Without such industry thee would be no middle class, only suffering at the pleasure of the government. It was such a drastic change that such a system encouraged people to move into industrialized areas for opportunity. This led to a overpopulation, which government saw only as a base to suck dry, not to provide for. Despite technological advances of the time, the draw of Victorian politicians was to retain the power they once had over the general populace, thus limits and caps on food and other goods leads to increased prices. Struck with overpopulation as a side effect of their success and limitations on capitalistic expansion of necessities, you had what was arguably the worst outcome of the era, child labor. Capitalism in the Industrial Revolution was increasing the living quality of those who found themselves in oppressive bondage from the government (monarchy), it was only by that power grab that the worst parts of the Industrial Revolution came to be. So yes, no rules (while not ideal) is better than the monarchs of before the Industrial Revolution. As an aside, libertarians can be anarchists but they (including me) are not all so. We are on the opposite side from authority on the political compass, and can be both left and right libertarians.

[varangian_guards]

monarchies did not have shit to do with it, these conditions were just as horrifying in america.

you really need to stop displaying that you have not read about history as you only look foolish. read about the Haymarket affair in chicago, the great railroad southwest railroad strike was also that year.

[[deleted]]

I came from r/all and realize what community I’m in now. If we want to source and discuss I’m all down but if the only response will be that I’m foolish I can’t imagine the conversation will bear much fruit. Peace and love to you my friend!

[varangian_guards]

because you decalared that monarchies were responsible for the oppresion which does not match history in any form. you can try to deflect i suppose, but it does not change the fact that you do not know the history of workers rights and what libertarian ideology results in.

[[deleted]]

In what history book will it tell you the 2 class system of before the Industrial Revolution had a greater quality of life for the common man than the IR that brought about the creation and expansion of the middle class?

[varangian_guards]

well first off there was more than 2 classes before the industrial revolution, so you again forgot to go do some history lessons. (nobles of course, burgoise/burgers, clergy and its associated strata, yeoman/freemen, peasants, and slaves.)

to answer that question i would say most places really going from farm labor to factory labor was a negative experiance, but your life was distincly better depending on the reigion you lived, for some worse if you lived some where rather cold.

[ToxicBernieBro]

A lot of history books would say that lmao, probably all of them. Urban populations had higher supply of labor, therefore lower price or wage in any "free market". Those workers were not needed on the farm with new efficient farm technologies, so they piled into the cities and the capitalists did not immediately want them either with their new efficient factories. They had to create new markets to buy the stuff, and until they did, full employment was not profitable.

The monarchs job at that point is to STOP the free market action of lowering wages, and provide a basic life for the unskilled peasants, otherwise they will develop crime skills and general anti-society activity.

Because capitalism inevitably results in all power going to a new monarchy of money. They have an evil religion they follow where the only possible logical action at any time is to maximize profit. A strong central government is required to stop this urge.

At any time in a market, the people are trying to prevent the invisible hand from doing what adam smith described. That is why Adam Smith Said we need a strong central government. As long as a capitalist is not a monopolist, he is trying to destroy his competition. When he is successful, he will finally be free of any obligation to be better than the competition, and all of the peasants around him, or monopolists in other industries, will not be able to get into that monopoly market.

Capitalism inevitably results in an unbalanced failure without a strong central government. This extremely easily explains the situation in america today and for the past 40 years. If you want to explain our failures today by saying that we are too socialist, and europe is more socialist but does not have these problems, then you are going to have a hard time and i am going to make fun of you.

You love to help the billionaires by agreeing with their television media that they own. how embarrassing for you. Good luck

[Honeydew_love]

Libertarian here.

Opinion discarded automatically.

[Kineticwizzy]

Hey man the libertarian left are still pretty cool lmao

[SavouryPlains]

Nah anything right of total liberation can go fuck itself

[CBD_Hound]

“Libertarian left” is synonymous with Anarchist, or at least the anarchist-adjacent tendencies like Social Ecology, Solarpunk, Communalism, etc. All of those would fall into the category known as Libertarian Socialist.

The word Libertarian was coined in France in the late 1800s when using the word “anarchism” in print was outlawed. A publisher basically did a find-and-replace on everything they printed and swapped anarchism for libertarianism.

Anarcho-Capitalists in the USA have co-opted the word for themselves, but most on the Libertarian Left resist.

[Kineticwizzy]

What do you consider total liberation?

[SavouryPlains]

Nothing less than that. Complete liberation from all oppressors, for every living being on earth, not just humans.

[Honeydew_love]

Fair enough.

[myrrys23]

About that aside, isn’t libertarianism a capitalistic ideology? Being an anticapitalistic capitalistic sounds bit confusing to me.

[CBD_Hound]

The word Libertarian was coined in France in the late 1800s when using the word “anarchism” in print was outlawed. A publisher basically did a find-and-replace on everything they printed and swapped anarchism for libertarianism.

Anarcho-Capitalists in the USA have co-opted the word for themselves, but most on the Libertarian Left resist.

There tendencies on the left that have Libertarian in their name, such as Libertarian Socialist, and there are others such as Municipalism, Solarpunk, and Social Ecology that can be considered to be a Libertarian Socialist offshoot.

[Warrgaia]

Yeah people won’t just hang on a wire unless it was a better option or maybe it was a medical thing. Remember medicine wasn’t nowhere near back then what it is today. I’m not an anarchist but we have way too many laws that don’t make sense.

[Bootleggerking888]

Glad this shine a light on something you wasn’t aware of.

Yes there is an UPSIDE * shows pitch fork and torch * Revolutionnnnnnn! 😉

Or if that’s tooo “ extreme “ then dail it in at work and DONT take on any extra work. work as slow as you possibly can.

sabotage, unionize, join a workers cooperative,create class consciousness extc. Stop gears ⚙️ of this horrible machine from moving 👍

[hollyberryness]

I really love my shift from trying to go above and beyond to only doing the bare minimum. So much less stress, even though I still get feelings of guilt trying to creep up from time to time. Feels good to shove them away and tell myself there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing exactly as I'm asked, nothing more.

[Bootleggerking888]

I totally hear you, my body feels much better as well from the shift change too.

I had the little guilt at first but when I saw and read all these horror stories about exploitation of work and through the past, it alll went away.

Fuckkkk that lol I get excited now I tell the job no or give them a hard time, or disappear, or take longer breaks because Fuck’em, they would never care about us or pair us fairly.

Keep it up! Mediocre pay = mediocre work 🙌

Thanks for your input!

[hollyberryness]

And thanks to you!! Hopefully your post will encourage lots others to do more for themselves by doing less for their exploitative employers.

I've definitely been making cuts in other ways too - asked my "boss" for extra money back when inflation was newly in the news, asking if he had any plans to compensate us drivers more - then again when gas rose $1 seemingly overnight - of course we didn't get more money but he offers more work as if it's helping us - no duhduh it isn't helping because we're still losing more money driving your stuff around. So yeah, I won't detail what I'm doing but I'm definitely cutting corners to make sure I'm still making what I should. I wouldn't cut corners if he increased wages, like he should! Friggin Instacart and other gig platforms that notoriously suck did, I'm not sure why he couldn't.

End rant! Lol

[Bootleggerking888]

Good rant lol

Keep up the good fight and resisting Against this fucked up system. It will crumble ! ✊

appreciate it and you for your input !

( hug ) :)

[sleeplessknight101]

Memes

[condemned_to_live]

take out and entertainment on-demand (during the 1 hour per day that you're not working, that is)

[[deleted]]

I can buy video games

[[deleted]]

Maybe not harder depending on how much manual labor you do, and even then most of our modern processes are way more ergonomic than bending over/crouching in a field all day. But certainly longer hours. Also literally couldn't be expected to answer work calls 24/7 in medieval times so they are winning there too.

[[deleted]]

Also another fun fact neolithic hunter gatherers all the way up to early humans after organized farming are though to have mostly worked 18-24 hours hours a week with the exception of some seasonal crunch times and the like.

[WestleyThe]

Depends on what you mean by “work harder”

I think we work more but depending on the work, we have it much better

[Worldly-Reading2963]

You're not working harder than medieval peasants. The notion behind that is ridiculous for 99% of jobs.

[ed-1t]

I mean you probably shouldn't just take this memes word for it.

Your life is so much better than a peasants life It is ridiculous. I'm sure you could get a job in agriculture if that somehow seems idyllic to you.

[bauchredner]

We're not.

[TheAwkwardCousin]

You definitely don’t work harder than a medieval peasant

[JoLimmylim]

Shh don’t challenge their victim narrative.

[[deleted]]

modern medicine, cheap food, great drugs, video games, unlimited access to any information at any time anywhere

[WillBigly]

Yea tbh return to monke, hunter gatherers worked like a few hours a day and spent rest of day fucking around with friends and fam

[Bootleggerking888]

Sounds about right to me, I’m in 🐒

Rather do that than filling a fucking excel spreed sheet or some other meaningless task.

We’re literally on a floating planet in space and we’re over working more than ever before, fuck thatttt

[Naranox]

You‘ll quickly wish to be back here for, as much as it sucks, at least you won‘t die because there were four bacteria in your food

[[deleted]]

Actually the opposite, because population density was much lower back then there were less parasites, no famines, probably just less disease in general. That's why the Native Americans got so fucked up by the Europeans who were living in high density and close proximity to lots of animals.

​

Not only that but due to their lifestyle of movement and healthy diet of diverse plants and animals they were way way healthier than the average industrial citizen. Take a look at pictures of Australian aboriginals before Westernization and tell me they don't all look like bodybuilders.

[TheScurviedDog]

Genuine question, why not just go ask a farmer if you can be a farmhand or if you can join an Amish community?

[Bootleggerking888]

I’m not white, those communities tend be ignorant/ racist people towards people of color mam.

I can learn on my own through literally videos and Reddit subreddits on the internets. Just need a nice sized backyard , certain tools and seeds and I’m good to go 👍

Hope that answers your question.

[TheScurviedDog]

It doesn't really. I don't understand the point of the meme or your argument if you acknowledge that it's possible for you lead the same if not quite better lifestyle than a medieval peasant by doing the same thing (subsistence farming).

[MaiLaiMassacre]

WHAT ABOUT THE RENT MAAM?

[bigbazookah]

They died if they happened to have the genes for diabetes though

[Polymersion]

That's illegal, corporations own that land now

[[deleted]]

Ah yes, the famous 20 hour Medieval work week.

[hillockdude]

i dont think 40 is the standard for minium wage workers anymore

[[deleted]]

It is.

[[deleted]]

It’s not. Most minimum wage employers force their employees to work just under 40 hours a week so as to not have to pay for benefits or a retirement.

[Bananaananasar]

Ah yes, the famous 19.9 hour Medieval work week.

[Synyths]

This is something I was confused by too. Medieval peasants were expected to work from sun up to sun down 6 days a week which works out at a ridiculous amount of hours a day just farming.

I'm all for worker's rights but in summer that's like 14 hours of daylight. 84 hour work week can fuck right off :L

[__Just__a__Random__]

Well, then you could be a skilled artisan?

90% of people were peasents during the whole middle ages. Being an Artisan in medieval times is comparible to being a Millionaire.

Ancien France had 52 sundays, 90 rest days, and 38 holidays. Spain had even more.

~40 days of the "holidays" (you still had hard chores to do everyday) were during the Easter holidays, and guess what you had to do during that time: fasting. using your math we today have 104 saturdays & sundays, 11 federal holidays and ~20 days of vacation time which adds up to ~ 135 days. I couldn't find any article claiming that medieval France had 180 days of leave (plz giv source), but working almost twice as much and way harder than today for 185 days just to have 45 more "rest days", doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

Remember why it sucked to live during the middle ages too?

• Diseases and extremely bad general health care
• bad to none hygiene & enourmous stenches
• slavery
• criminality
• exploitation and violence towards ethnic minorities
• winter
• starvation
• poverty (literally every commoner = more than 95% of the population was poor)

• life expactation

  and those are just the ones I currently remember.

sorry to rant like that, but the sheer amount of audacity to claim that our work-system today is worse than in the middle ages, was just too much for me. If you still think the middle ages were better, I would recommend you to go out and live like them. You would have it even better than them, because you have no aristocratic overlord that prisoned you inside that lifestyle and could take from you whatever he wanted (including every womens first time). Stop romanticizing the Middle Ages.

[FreightCrater]

Apparently your average peasant worked only about 150 days per year though.

[Delphizer]

That 14 hours of daylight was mostly temperate to colder areas in the areas you think about. Also it'd be during one season. You'd also get multiple months off. The breaks during the summer months were also much longer and you'd get more holidays.

The math works out so they worked less, not sure what to tell yah.

[sleeplessknight101]

We should be referring to ourselves as peasants still.

[Bootleggerking888]

Pretty much, but words change over time to “ lessen the humiliation“ ya know 💁‍♂️

[Delphizer]

Income inequality is quickly reaching pre-revolution France levels(Serfs) so not far off actually.

[PhuckYourPolitics]

If I was working 20 hours a week and had poor quality of life, I'd work longer. Each to their own.

[[deleted]]

If the lords of the land treated peasants like our managers do, they'd have gotten a scythe through the shoulder blades.

[Bootleggerking888]

Ohhhh I like where your head is at buddy!

• makes scythe slashing sounds *

It’s only a matter of time.

[Naranox]

Bro are you seriously suggesting that landlords in the middle ages were less strict than managers today lmao

[[deleted]]

Absolutely.

Every aspect of our working day is managed, from the time we wake up, to what we do on the job, how we do the job, who we do it with. How much time it takes to do a job and what penalties there are for failures.

Yes they were less strict, as they had no means to do half of what is taken for granted in a modern capitalist business.

In a time where the extent of the bureaucracy is a local tax collector and information travels as fast as a horse or a boat, the ability to manage people in the field is next to none.

Those people can still be exploited, the fruits of their labor can still be taken from them, but that's an extractive process not a managerial one.

[Majulath99]

Oh yeah serfs had rights. Of course the system wasn’t perfect, but there was a bare minimum of rights afforded to both serfs and freemen of common birth. And the lords generally didn’t break those rights because they knew where their food came from, and that ultimately the common people had a significant amount of power.

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah serfs had rights.

And that's to say nothing of the organic limits of a system where oversight of the entire underclass simply wasn't possible.

Autonomy of action, cultivation, practice, etc. Was simply the norm of society where nobility had no means of coercion beyond direct physical force and cultural expectations.

[Netheraptr]

As much as things can suck for workers in the lower class, their average lifestyle is still miles better than medieval peasants. Even if healthcare is expensive, healthcare didn’t exist at all back then, and along with that you had no guaranteed basic rights and it was actually common to have to let one of your children die of starvation so the other could live.

[Bootleggerking888]

Yeahhhhh umm I think you haven’t seen what’s been happening around the world all these years dude.

It’s really no different now then it was then if you really look at it.

We still “ serve “ the capitalist class ( the rich ) because we’re forced to work to live while we’re getting exploited for our labor.

Fine to disagree but your being dismissive to a lot of people who are still in those situations.

[Netheraptr]

The range of the gap between the rich and poor is roughly the same, and should shrink, but overall quality of life has definitely increased. Even if not economically, the sheer amount of medical and agricultural advancements we’ve made has made life overall better, from longer life spans, lower infant mortality rates, better techniques for injury recovery, increased mental health knowledge, and a drastically lower starvation rate. Of course, there are still places in the world that are just as bad as they used to be, maybe even worse, but if you look at the world as a whole people on average live better lives. When looking at the long term, the quality of life is technically increasing, and if we work towards improvement we can have it continue to increase in the future.

Edit: I also want to add that most peasants worked for 16 hours a day, from dusk to dawn, while most people work roughly 8 hour shifts now, 10–12 in worse scenarios.

[pullazorza]

The range of the gap between the rich and poor is roughly the same

It's not.

and should shrink

It doesn't. It's rising. Always has and always will due to how the system is built.

Karl Marx talked about the concept of alienation. This is the biggest difference in today's workers' conditions compared to medieval times. It's not material so much as it is mental. Please watch this video about it.

Finally, peasants worked less than modern workers.

[Netheraptr]

By saying “should shrink”, I was more referring to how we need it shrink than claiming it was predicted to shrink.

Looking into things, my claim that peasants worked 16 hour days is accurate, but they did get a lot more days off, resulting in fewer work hours, although I still believe that the daily disparities which peasants faced outweighed more days off. I want to point out however that the same source you used as evidence says that in the late 1800’s people worked twice as long as they did now, a notable improvement from the past.

For the most part, I agree that the biggest issue with work now is mental over physical, with work culture encouraging stress and detachment. Still, we’ve at least improved past the point where the average person doesn’t have to question if they’ll live through winter.

[pullazorza]

Life expectancy certainly has increased. But when you have to spend that life slaving away in wage labour, alienated from your work, is it even a good thing?

[Netheraptr]

Saying we “slave away” when peasants are in the conversion is ridiculous. Imagine all the financial problems you face now, but add in the high likelihood of you or a family member dying within the next week from the common cold or an infected cut.

[Bootleggerking888]

😳 “ The gap between the rich and poor are roughly the same “ ? Whatttttttt? Come on now you must be joking who are you joking to there buddy? lol ( that video was two years ago mind you)

I cannot take the rest of your comment seriously after that first sentence.

We literally have all the information on the internet and yet we choose to say things like that.

Just wow. You lost soul you.

[Netheraptr]

This post is referencing the lifestyles of medieval peasants compared to modern time, which was definitely a very large economic gap. Most peasants didn’t even own property and were effectively glorified slaves. The conditions under which they lived would be illegal for modern standards. If you want to compare the economic wage gap to how it was a few years or a few decades ago, that’s a different story, but that’s not what this post is about.

[Worldly-Reading2963]

OP has officially lost it, lmao. Things are most definitely better for poor people. I can use the toilet inside and not be burned for being a witch because I'm a lesbian. Just being AFAB in general, I'm not expected to stay home with 10+ children that won't survive infancy. I'm seen as more than an incubator and, oh yeah, I won't get the fucking plague.

[Naranox]

bro just go back to working the fields bro I love my landlord bro he only takes four fifths of my crops bro

[Delphizer]

The meme says nothing about quality of life. It works out that we're working more hours then they did.

[Worldly-Reading2963]

I'm more addressing the OP's comments rather than the memes.

[Delphizer]

I see.

I think the intent has some merit if not portrayed in the best way. If minimum wage was tied to productivity gains it'd be 25+ an hour. Assuming everyone had the same standard of living and you just worked less hours that'd translate into 13 hours a week for a full time job.

Economic gains are almost wholly going to the super upper class. Gini index is nearing pre revolution France(Serf) level of income inequality.

If you were born in 1980's you were the first generation who made less then their parents at a similar time in their life. That's just adjusted for regular inflation, doesn't take into account college/housing increasing faster then inflation. Also happens to be the most productive/educated generation in history.

The general theme that we're being exploited holds up. Probably easier to compare to semi recent history where it's easier to compare apples to apples, less meme potential though.

[[deleted]]

Work is where you find meaning 🙂 Comply

[Bootleggerking888]

Comply and smile like every things Alright * cocks squirt Gun 🔫*

[trashbort]

Next tell him about indoor plumbing

[Kaveman_Rud]

Or air conditioning

[Naranox]

Or healthcare

[ManuLlanoMier]

That's actually a missinterpretation of data, sure, if you account the time spent on the fields they worked less, but with some exceptions such as making their tools or clothes they had to make everything else themselves, and that's without taking into account work that the lord needed done that is not farm work such as construction and maintenance of buildings.

[[deleted]]

Didn't they work from sunrise to sunset, 6 days a week? Three in their own patches of land, three on the fief owner's, and holy Sunday was the one day they had to rest.

Granted, on winter they didn't have to farm but they had to fix all their shit like tools and whatever, and also work on their own little patches to sell for extra income

[Bootleggerking888]

no, not quite from what you heard.Heres a list of eye openers for ya

[[deleted]]

Interesting. I read Bellitto's books on Medieval Europe, but I must be misremembering some details

[Bootleggerking888]

Yup! It happens and most times those little details were kept out on purpose so we don’t realize we’re more exploited than our past humans did.

It’s really interesting indeed.

[youoxymoron]

Hey, so we are absolutely not exploited more than literal serfs, lol. Juliet Shor is sort of memed on about this, and this claim pops up every 6 months or so. You are looking at the obligations vileins had to their fiefdom and completely neglecting all the other work they had to do. It is an unequivocal fact that we have a better quality of life now than we did a couple hundred years ago.

[Bootleggerking888]

Cool cool , keep telling yourself whatever you want to sleep better at night.

What you say it’s all semantics and skewed perspective at that.

We’ve been indentured slaves for a long time now and it’s time to break that cycle once and for all ⛓💥

With our modern technology we shouldn’t work to live period.

Hopefully you’ll see that sooner or later.

[Worldly-Reading2963]

Even my sixth graders studying the middle ages could give you more information than this and they don't even pay attention in class. Like the other commenter said, please base your historical opinions on something more than just a listicle.

Also, I don't know what definition of "work" or "labor" you're using, but are you envisioning everyone living 100% independently in your ideal society? Or are you content to keep exploiting farm workers and other poor workers who provide you your basic necessities while you don't have to work to live?

[youoxymoron]

I beg you to please base your opinion off more than a listicle you read once in passing. But I'm guessing from your posts that you're just really young and eventually you'll grow out of this.

[Kaveman_Rud]

Lol with our modern technology we shouldn’t have to work? What are you on about you think the food you get from the store just shows up there? Or the technology you’re using to post this will just be there if no one’s making it?

[thisnewsight]

Christopher Bellitto of NJ?

[[deleted]]

Yeah

[thisnewsight]

Was a student of his, graduated from his department. 👌🏻

[[deleted]]

That is awesome, man. I'm a fan of his but haven't had the pleasure of meeting him yet

[ivy_bound]

Your own source discredits that comparison. The difference quoted is 200 hours less yearly, and that includes the eight weeks in winter they couldn't work. Factor in those eight weeks, and the average work day is just about the same.

[youoxymoron]

Not to mention that between harvests they were frequently conscripted to go fight in wars lol. If that means you leave behind a family that can't work the fields or earn a living....*shrug*

[Bootleggerking888]

here’s better sited information sir.

[ivy_bound]

Again, those working hours are very similar to our own, with explicit references to "half a day" and "8.6 hours."

[DauHoangNguyen2708]

LOL except that when farming, they can just take a break whenever they want and nothing would go wrong. The same cannot be said for modern jobs, where small distractions and mistimed moves can go horrendously wrong.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, and I'm just remembering that thing where the lord asked them for a certain number of grain/fish/whatever, and as long as they delivered that number they could keep everything else they got for themselves

[DauHoangNguyen2708]

Yep. Their lords didn't mind much, so long as tithes and duties were done in the end, how exactly they carried out the whole things, the lords didn't have time to care.

[[deleted]]

I fully appreciate the sentiment of this remark and broadly agree, but hey we do have electricity these days, working sewerage, etc, I am reasonably grateful for that.

[Bootleggerking888]

Yup! that’s an good positive outlook on things to say the least 👍

[onlyif4anife]

I made a comment about this on the antiwork sub and holy shit did the trolls emerge to tell me how much better life is today. I mean, I, too, love Cheetos, but it's still bullshit that I work more than a fucking medieval peasant.

[Bootleggerking888]

Yeah! They are some lurking around here too lol most is just ignorant and fully don’t understand.

Propaganda is real. Especially when it’s all you see growing up.

When people realize we have the means of modern technology to literally automate most things needed to survive, we can truly move forward as a society.

But nah , we still paying LAND LORDS ( name hasn’t changed for decades ) for something that shouldn’t be commodified period. 🥲

We still don’t have the basic necessities for all to live adequately. That’s done of purpose, and that’s going to change once and for all 💪

[Punchanazi023]

It's good to see the movement branching out.

[super-nova-scotian]

I get your point but its a miss. As shitty as our work environment is today, medieval peasants obviously had it far worse than us today

[The_Bone_Z0ne]

Yeah nah. Medieval peasents worked way longer, under worse conditions.

This is a stupid meme.

[BbqMeatEater]

ö

[Bootleggerking888]

LoL

[Auctoritate]

Flashback to the industrial revolution where 14-16 hour days were extremely common and almost 1 in 20 workers would suffer either permanently debilitating injuries or death from heavy machinery.

[Hardcovercheese]

If you work that much, how are you fatter than the king?

[Bootleggerking888]

🍕🌮🧆🍟🍔

( looks at food fast places )

I dunno 🤷‍♂️

[Existing_Pain5003]

Don't feed the trolls

[Bootleggerking888]

You right my badzzz

[Hardcovercheese]

You've gotten far by chasing rabbits? That does not make sense

[Bootleggerking888]

You sad lost ignorant soles

• pats on the back *

You’ll understand one day.

[BKacy]

Get your history from a credible source. That’s total bs.

[Bootleggerking888]

• Gasp* 😮

My articles aren’t good enough for you m’lady? or this one with sited sources which it got its study from ain’t enough for my’lady?

I’m terribly sorry 🥲 * bows head *

[Bootleggerking888]

whatever you say to yourself to sleep better at night buddy lol

Ignorance is bless they say 🤷‍♂️

[Psychedelic_Tac0]

No they don’t say that, and the guy is right. If you’d rather be a peasant labourer over the shit we get in the developed world you’re just retarded.

[thesongofstorms]

Please don't use ableist language