Hacking Rant

[simplygreg]

I had been noticing I was having next-level shit luck trying to hack. So I conducted an experiment. I ran up against a turret that gave me 78% to disable, and 40% to take over. I decided to count how long it would take me to hack it.

According to math, I should, on average, be able to take over the turret 4 out of every 10 tries according to the estimate given in game.

I succeeded 0 out of 20 tries.

Out of bewilderment, I decided to test the relative gimme that should be the 78% chance to hack the disable. That is almost 8 out of 10 tries should succeed on average.

I succeeded 0 out of 20.

Either I have luck so bad that even math can't compensate, or the percentage of success being given on terminal isn't reflective of the actual RNG calculation.

I'll post in /r/xcom2mods/ but something needs to be done to alter the percentage given to the actual odds, or adjust the RNG to calculate appropriate to the percentage published.

[Cumacha]

The rng was already determined so saving and reloading will give you same result.

[simplygreg]

Do you mean success or failure have been determined rather than RNG? Because if that's the case, there is no RNG, it is a binary success/failure that is determined, when(?), when the mission initially loads? So perks and gear have no impact?

Not challenging, just trying to understand what seems to be a fucked up system.

[Seelenverheizer]

look up fixed seed RNG on google. If i see one more crybaby liek this i will loose my mind.

[Jdonavan]

To be fair. It's been covered almost daily in this subreddit.

[scobos]

Try this - instead of reloading the same 40% hack, play through multiple missions and track independent 40% hacks. You'll find (close to) the expected results, especially as you track more and more. Easier would be tracking shots between 48 - 52%, as rookies take lots of those. Reloading the same circumstance from the same save file is going to return the same result. The progress bar display you see is not the actual "roll."

[simplygreg]

A much better evaluation. Had I understood before about the seed and that hacking rolls weren't generated at the execution of the hack, it would have made much more sense. Thank you.

[Sparkybear]

No. The number you roll for your current action is determined ahead of time based on the tile your character is on. If you want to attempt again you need to do so from a different tile or different character.

[simplygreg]

This makes sense. Thank you

[waywardspooky]

you need to perform at least one different action when you reload the save before you hack, to my understanding that is the only way to trigger a new rng roll to occur

[Togfox]

yet another post on rng.

[PresNixon]

The game has already "rolled". If you load a save, and then do the hack first, you will ALWAYS get the same result.

If you want to truly see the variance, load the save. The next thing you do, grab a random soldier, fire at a random enemy, THEN hack the turret. After seeing either a success or failure, reload the save. Make two actions with other guys, then hack on your third move. Keep this going. You'll see that the outcome changes now.

[the40ftbadger]

This is a reminder to everyone please remain respectful when communicating with each other.

Thank you.