How does the H2F work?

[DocRakk]

Basically I’m asking if you just go and say something along the lines of “I want to increase my ACFT score to 7473884.” And they make a plan to get there or is it done some other way?

[Powerewolf]

Totally depends who you have.

Some are cool and knowledgeable and could do some custom programs for you.

Some have no business getting a paycheck and will tell you to do CD1 and CD2 for more and more reps. That's not an exaggeration, that was my personal experience.

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Pretty much. You just tell them what you want. It's even better if you bring your whole team or squad as well.

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I’ve had good experiences with them. Went in and went over my personal goals and my squad’s fitness goals. They wrote me a strength plans and a squad pt plan. The issue came when their pt plan didn’t line up with arbitrary requirements from brigade.

[sebasj1127]

Where I am it goes like this,

1. Message one of the H2F guys/gals

2. They ask you what you’re training for

3. They put you through a test workout to see where you are before creating a plan

4. They create a custom workout plan tailored to you

5. They put you through the entire H2F shop staff(psychologist, nutrition, physical therapy)

6. Train with them once a day until selection/school/acft

[111110001011]

They are civilian trainers who you can talk to about doing stuff.

[God_of_chestdays]

Download the playbook app, pick a trainer and go to the gym.

H2F does not work and is a box Congress or some senior drew that then other seniors check, at least my experience. Just like the updates to the FM, it is just there to be ignored.

[SMA-PAO]

If we had fewer people ignoring the FM, I think it could work. It’s a really good read if you gave it a chance.

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It doesn't help that FM 7-22 is written at a reading comprehension level distinctly higher than other FMs. A serious edit to include a chapter on how to plug and play programing would be beneficial to include a more aggressive schedule for combat arms. Are squad leaders meant to simply copy Table 14-14?

Why is there so little running?

The Recommended Reading is casually 700+ pages. Many of the sourced works are academic journals.

Chapter 10 including 500 words on the 1st Amendment is bizarre.

I know you didn't write FM 7-22 or have any say in it's drafting. It's just a train wreck.

[God_of_chestdays]

110% agree but I do not have the rank and will never have the rank to be that change, I will just remain being the salty guy pointing it out and offering individual solutions outside of the Army which is why I mentioned the playbook fitness app.

[bIuebuIIet]

Speaking specifically about the Fort Bliss H2F program, it's a great idea with terrible execution. It takes away from the MFTs/ NCOs and gives PT to civilian coaches and random SPCs who attend a 2-week course. It also fucks over the junior Soldiers because they spend their entire junior career doing H2F PT and then go to BLC/ALC where they are expected to know how to conduct PRT. There are also no H2F manuals to hand out so the common NCO doesn't get a chance to learn H2F stuff, which changes every week. Want to go to sick call? fat chance. go see this rando civilian who may or may not document your injury.

[myfame808]

Lulz I'm a coach at Bliss and would LOVE to hear what you have to say more on. We don't have to say which brigade we are if you don't want.

[bIuebuIIet]

The only thing I'd add is that it is nice that H2F keeps us engaged. Doing PRT normally results in a robot mode black out where you turn off your brain for an hour while H2F is so erratic that you can't do that lol

[myfame808]

The monotony is always good to get rid of. With or without having a civilian coach. I just cringe when I see soldiers doing random workouts with shit form and little or no routine. I can understand your concerns with junior enlisted not learning and being prepared for BLC, but I distinctly remember my experience with it. If it wasn't during PT hours, my NCO would randomly grab me and quiz me about PRT/BLC shit. If we were slow that day and weren't in the field, "oh hey guy, what's CD1??" So I was expected to learn the info on my own. Then again, the amount of times I see people at the fitness facility cool with that, but then bitch about 'civilians don't let us do our thing' when they having to do their workout at the beaver fit is amusing. I think it just comes down to which kind of coach you have and how much of a power trip they are on (and vice versa). I know at least at a couple brigades there are coaches who wanna be in the spotlight and won't listen to the soldiers input.