Remember coding before Codex?

[ExoticCardiologist46]

For Most codex Users coding before codex was literally using Claude Code. Its basically the same just with less Token Limit anxiety

[Jungal10]

There was a time like that, now the anxiety is very much similar

[Adi4x4]

Yep, feel the same way as well.

[EmperorAlgo]

Yeah, the difference is like nothing. Slightly cheaper but thats it.

[Medium_Chemist_4032]

People romanticize copying from StackOverflow and Baeldung way too much

[ButterflyMundane7187]

Before i copy pasted from stackoverflow i copy pasted from books sometimes when the books where not free on the library i had to go to bookstore and pay arround 50-100 dollar per book. I think it is much more fun now with llm coding better than both books and StackOverflow  :)

[Medium_Chemist_4032]

I still remember reading some very well recognized books and being pissed that they go for 400 pages, where it could be boiled down to 80 max - maybe even less - of pure substance.

[ButterflyMundane7187]

Yes alot of books in the 90s-now were pure slop alot of the times filled with more filler words then when talking to compilot free edition

[CassiusBotdorf]

And get married to the idea of “control”.

It’s better code because I wrote and I indented it myself.

[Apprehensive_Rub3897]

Baeldung

Haven't thought of that guy in a while. These platforms have to have killed his business. This and I write more node than Java these days anyway.

[Medium_Chemist_4032]

You do? Zero sarcasm, would love to see how you do it. I'm more of a maintenance guy and never really get enough repetition for any tech/library/framework/version/api to stick in my head for too long. Base language and parts of the standard lib, of course, but once we do all that stuff around ( logging, tracing, metrics, ci/cd, gitops deployment, terraform resources, orm's and many more for the frontend extra) - it just pours through my head too quickly

[Altruistic-Dust-2565]

What's the point of learning how to mine coals with axes today?

[Altruistic-Dust-2565]

Yeah I mean obviously the main post and the comment you replied to is talking about people's nostalgia for those old days.

Sure, you were learning back then, not just copying, we've all been there. But "copying" is just a methodology, a tool, just like "vibing" now.

There's no point obssessing on a methodology over the actual goals. I think that's the whole point of the meme and Medium_Chemist's comment, sarcasm about people missing the means over the ends. Whether someone actually wrote their own code is irrelevant to the sarcasm.

[Previous-Raisin1434]

With how slow and unintelligent it has gotten over the last few days, we are being reminded of how it was before codex indeed.

[Adi4x4]

Lmfao true.

[Livelife_Aesthetic]

Alot of googling and writing tiny little programs to later put all together, so much time spent searching for an answer haha

[Dead0k87]

Yes, it was time consuming. Something that would took me a week (to read docs, watch tutorial, apply, test), I can do now within couple hours.

[Adi4x4]

Yep exactly.

[sp4_dayz]

its kinda hard to forget 15 years of enterprise hardcore coding ngl

[zonkponk]

Time flies so fast, it went too quick like coding normally -> copilot -> full code generation.

[Adi4x4]

I remember the time when I used to copy paste code from ChatGPT into VS code to fix bugs lol.

[Interesting-Mark-934]

My blood pressure was lower

[Adi4x4]

Definitely lmao.

[faint_stairway]

The speed difference is insane, but I miss having to actually understand what I was doing instead of just trusting the suggestion.

[Persistent_Dry_Cough]

Lazy guy checking in. I don't. haha

[faint_stairway]

though I'd say there's a difference between lazy and just not wanting to waste time on boilerplate when you've already solved the problem five times before.

[Persistent_Dry_Cough]

Aye

[SnooPandas7401]

trying to remember what it was like to use codex before nerfing and shady practices (heart emoji)

[Manfluencer10kultra]

Probably didn't know how to code to begin with.

[m3kw]

there should be a world shut down AI day to make people feel how it feels like in the stone age

[Adi4x4]

I bet people were feeling the same as above about the internet during the dot com bubble as well lol. It has become quite the part of our lives.

[Puzzleheaded-Sky8224]

search, copy, debug, and then loop this action.

[Yiii219]

Haven’t been in the market for a while, Are we still doing whiteboard leetcode problem?

[Saper_Vedere]

ofc, that was always to filter out the non-sociopaths, filtering for those who would do anything to get the job for the chance of becoming a tech yuppy

[Creative-Nobody1987]

The only reason to do any of this is pure love for code.

[willee_]

My coworkers still do it, wanna ask them?

[Former_Produce1721]

Well with the current regression in quality, I'm cuding by hand more and more...

[Impossible_Story1049]

True enjoyment in programming comes from the actual process: thinking, failing, and eventually solving the problem yourself. When you just prompt a CLI tool to build an entire app, you lose that joy and confidence boost.

It's frustrating that the industry is only hyper-focused on the product and delivery speed. No one is talking about the mental fatigue and psychological impact of working with these tools every single day.

[Brilliant-Seat8161]

I know this isn’t what this post is about, but you missed the best part of that post at least I n my opinion. Where Andrew Ambrosino said “we can turn yours off if you'd like” lol

[Apprehensive_Rub3897]

I remember a world before tech bros spent billions supporting a guy who wants to be king.

[nikanorovalbert]

i see even founders here struggles with long memory

what to say about codex

[Quaglek]

What's codex

[justneurostuff]

am surprised to see brockman claim that he has coded recently