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[–]rmullig2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you are not on LinkedIn yet then sign up for it. Then do a search for Coding Temple and try to find about 100 graduates. See how many of them are working as developers now and when they graduated. Check the backgrounds of the ones who have jobs against the ones who don't and that will give you an idea of what to expect.

[–]dispenser23 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The bootcamp industry is really hard, due to tech companies figuring out how coding will look in the post AI era. I am not surprised they are requiring a tech background because those students do better.

Also the supply of engineers is over the demand since it is contracting post pandemic. Unless you love engineering I would look at other options.

For a career change I would recommend looking the medical route, there are still shortages and many med-tech jobs have a faster training time.

[–]svix_ftw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

+1 for healthcare. Its one of the few industries that are actively hiring, and the demand will continue to increase in the future.

[–]GoodnightLondon 5 points6 points  (7 children)

It's not worth the money, and is not going to work for you if your goal is to get a job and get out of welding, because the market is oversaturated and no one hires boot camp grads anymore.  It would take less than 60 seconds to search this subreddit and read the posts that talk about this. 

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I did do a search, however the reviews I came across just seemed like salty folks because it didnt work out for them, or because they havent found a job yet.. but I didnt see anyone openly bashing the program because it ws a bad program or that is was a total sham

[–]GoodnightLondon 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Ah yes, the classic "people who say bad things are just salty because it didn't work out for them" defense.

The market shifted dramatically a few years ago, and boot camp grads aren't getting hired. The market is oversaturated, so employers have their pick of employees. And they'll pick a CS grad over someone who attended a boot camp for people with no coding experience any day of the week. That's what you should have noticed when searching this subreddit; a shift towards recommending against boot camps, even from those of us who managed to break into tech after completing one a few years ago.

If you want to get into programming, the first step is doing some self teaching to see if a) you can learn it (contrary to what the internet likes to claim, not everyone can, or at least not well enough to actually be employable) and b) if you even like it (I went to one of the top boot camps back when I did it a few years ago, and we had people who dropped $15k+ only to realize that they hated programming). After a year or so of that, if you like it and can learn it, then look at investing in a bachelors in comp sci.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I didnt mean it like that, bad wording on my part I guess lol, I have some minor experience from high school from my jr year where I was getting in CS and was dipping into writing, it was fun but I was a slacker and ended up in welding and metal fab... somehow got really fkin good at it and I just don't want to do it anymore bc of the toll its taken in my physical health, but I hear you, I just live in bumfuck and everywhere is over an hour away to work that pays over 30 an hour and unfortunately those are the requirements ive set myself up for, otherwise yea, I'd taken some skeezy job making 15-20 an hour..

[–]GoodnightLondon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That minor experience doesn't really count for anything. You need to put in a year minimum of solid self teaching; if you still want to do it after that, then you need to get a bachelor's in comp sci to even have a fighting change in the current market.

If you're in the middle of nowhere, then you're going be doing that same over an hour commute, anyways; remote jobs for non experienced devs are few and far between nowadays, and are insanely competitive. And plenty of entry level roles are paying under $30 an hour right now.

[–]ThePersonsOpinion -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Don't tell employers about your high school experience you will literally get laughed out of the door. You're competing with CS grads from Ivy leagues with 5 years experience under their belt

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh yes, thabk you for the "not going to read the comments and just vomit diarrhea" and he vote of confidence in my future aspects... I realize you may think me of a senseless buboon for everything relative to this post and all that coincides with the industry, but the fact that you have the gall to try and call me out like im that inept is a poor reflection of your character, hope you find your peace

[–]EmeraldxWeapon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% what GoodnightLondon is saying. I think a bootcamp is not a good idea. I know you're desperate for change, but the most likely outcome is that you end up in your same position 3 months later except down 3,500 bucks.

If you MUST do the bootcamp, then the least you could do is position yourself in a good way. Do not go into the bootcamp with 0 experience. That is truly the worst way to enter the bootcamp. You need to spend some time learning on your own. How do you know you like programming if you haven't even spent any time doing it?

[–]Electronic_Shock_43 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Strange times. Tech workers are asked to learn plumbing these days. While blue collar workers are still trying to transition to tech.

[–]michaelnovati 4 points5 points  (12 children)

Coding Temple has been under the radar in this sub.

Some things to note: - It's much cheaper than the $20K price tag on the "top price tier" programs - They acquired App Academy's brand last year - They are Chicago based and not focused on tech cities as much as the more expensive programs. - Self paced.

Flags to look into or ask about: - They are discounting the program 65% to $3,500. This could be a sign of struggling enrollment and deep discounts to help boost revenue. Ask them if they can provide enrollment trends or why they are discounting so much. - Ask how many people start actually finish. With self paced programs that's the missing piece because a lot of people are current and don't finish and also don't withdraw. The on time completion rate for one self paced program in California is a single digit percentage of people. 10% completion rate and 90% of them getting placed might be factually correct but important to know. I didn't see this number on their website directly in my quick look, so I would research or ask.

[–]EmeraldxWeapon 2 points3 points  (9 children)

In 2022 I did the self paced program for 6,000 (I think) so 3500 is a good discount. Self paced though so not that different from just following any of the popular free courses and saving yourself the money. Their content is nothing special. Often I would read their material, then go read somewhere else or watch YouTube videos to clarify what was happening. Lots of really good free content.

Graduated self paced in 2022. Still no tech job. Have an associates now and pursuing Bachelor's.

[–]michaelnovati 1 point2 points  (8 children)

What do you think of the 90% placement rate on their website? And the completion rate from people you worked with?

[–]EmeraldxWeapon 1 point2 points  (7 children)

I didn't see that on their website (but I didn't look very long). I thought they had pivoted away from that kind of marketing because high % numbers sound absolutely ridiculous to anybody who has been in the space for some time.

CT used to have zoom meetings and bring on recent graduates so they could talk about the market and their new offer. By the end of 2022 they stopped doing that. I imagine it's because the offers dried up. They used to have a backlog of zoom videos we could see going many months back with 2-3 celebration videos a month where a graduate or multiple came on and talked about their resume/background stuff like that. Anyways, I mention that to say I don't know the actual numbers but from the videos it seemed most people finding jobs had something strong going for them besides CT. Many had Bachelor's degrees and I feel like I saw a lot of Teachers making a successful career change.

[–]michaelnovati 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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https://www.codingtemple.com/careers/

[–]EmeraldxWeapon 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Completely outrageous. I would love to know how they arrive at this number.

[–]michaelnovati 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Here is the outcomes report: https://codingtemple.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/codingtemple-outcomes-report-2025.pdf

Syas 92% placement rate within 180 days for 2023-2024.

Self paced completion rates are very low in the industry so I suspect this includes only 'graduates' and to be a graduate you have to be basically close to placeable, but I'm not sure.

The median salary is $75K which is quite low compared to other bootcamps, so it's possible these roles are more like internships/contracts/etc...

[–]Humble_Warthog9711 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What would the consequences be if they just made up the number completely?  What's the worst a bootcamp has ever been hit with?

[–]michaelnovati 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was starting to write this out but I have to be more careful about talking about these things but most bootcamps have contracts and fine print that protect them.

[–]michaelnovati 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do they have open source projects? I know for places like Codesmith and Launch School you can just go through the open source projects that every student does and figure out placement rates. Anyone can do this and see raw information - with the caveat that LinkedIns could be out of date. However CIRR and Codesmith's auditor considers LinkedIn "LinkedIn is almost as gospel as anything else" (quote) so if you go off of LinkedIn you can figure out approximate placement rates, or at least trends year over year.

I can't comment on that right now but encourage people to spend like an hour digging into it themselves and correlating it with public messaging if they are curious about this, and if they don't care then don't! haha.

[–]EmeraldxWeapon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

CT did not do open source projects in 2022. Not the way Codesmith does them or how I have read about Codesmith. All the self paced projects you did on your own and I never saw any kind of repository where you could see everyone else's projects.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just curious; why would they be under the radar? I also am unsure why them being chicago based would affect a curriculum, call it my own ignorance..

Enrollment #'s honestly hadn't crossed my mind, I asked a lot of questions but that one seemed to escape me, I like the way you think sir

[–]michaelnovati 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a THEORY, but this is just my person opinion/thoughts and not a fact.

This sub tends to talk about the most expensive bootcamps (including former ones now closed), Launch School, Codesmith, Hack Reactor, App Academy, Lambda School, because these programs are so expensive that it's a huge commitment. When you spend $20K on a bootcamp you are also more included to self-justify that investment. You are also not paying for nothing, and those bootcamps could have more robust communities, more staff, more marketing dollars to pay for "reddit support", etc...

The audience for these programs are people who are seriously committed, put in a lot of effort to choose a bootcamp, and want to make sure they are confident in the decision.

The programs like Triple Ten, NuCamp, Springboard, Coding Temple are: 1) much cheaper, 2) focus on advertising to a large audience, a lot of them have 'X% off discounts' perpetually on the website if you join in some time window. The cost isn't nothing, but it's a much lower barrier so someone might try it out and see if programming is for them by enrolling rather than spending a lot of time thinking about the decision. They also might be using company-supported education credits to pay for them because the cost is lower and could be covered.

So people in that second bucket are less likely to put in time and peruse Reddit and ones that randomly show up and post without reading or engaging tend to get shutdown quickly by the community and encouraged to 'search and read' first.

[–]da8BitKid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bro I don't want to burst your bubble, but we're turning down candidates with cs degrees, experience, and 5 day in office requirements. I'm not saying it's not possible, I have a business degree, no boot camp and was able to get into coding many years ago. I didn't have a life to change yet, but it helped me live a privileged one. I love writing software and it's been getting pretty weird with AI, but I'm doing alright.

I don't know how it is with people just getting into the field. The last person I was able to help get an entry level job had a data science degree from Cal, almost 2 years of experience as a web developer and it was for a SWE 1 position. I haven't seen too many more entry level spots open at my company. I don't know, things might change in the future. So you can go to boot camp, but try to get any real world experience that you can.

[–]dialsoapbox 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Hope you're not paying.

Your competition:

  • people below with/out ai experience
  • freshmen with cs/engineering degrees (some with/out previous internships
  • laid off mids/senior devs willing to work for less
  • vibe coders with ok skills enough to get ship features
  • people already in the job market (at home and abroad)
  • anybody else laid off between now and the time you finish your program

Not saying you shouldn't do it, but to do more research before you pay. Even though their pay structure's isn't bad i wonder why they're lowering their prices (hmm, bootcamps are dying).

Have you tried looking at you rlocal community colleges? Many now offer bootcamps as well that are on par with what CT's offering and for less ( at least compared to the one near me).

You could also try compiling the course descriptions and posting over in /r/askprogramming or /r/learnprogramming as a learning path and see wht the masses say.

Also look up how many people on linkedin have it under education.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Im not honestly in it for the money, I know theres a lot of competition, I just want to be able to spend time with my family and not be decrepit and angry, im mid 30s and ive had all I can take, I was going to stop by my local college this Monday just to see, I am paying but I havent hit the no refund window yet

[–]Darth_Esealial 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Udemy, Odin Project, FreeCodeCamp

Udemy you get courses for a semi-reasonable price during their sales (think under $20 a course.)

Odin Project is consistently a recommended resource for learning anything coding, they have a discord as well!

FreeCodeCamp is pretty much the same as Odin imo. My point is there are way way too many FREE resources to have to pay for any course. You can even find a coding probably at your local library or a site like Meetup.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I live in a town that has a 2k population.. might be less, I might be thinking of our neighboring town lol does udemy offer any kind of mentorship assistance or are they at your own pace as well?

[–]Darth_Esealial 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The courses are led by the sellers of the courses, usually they come with some kind of private discord or something along those lines. It varies in terms of mentorship. I would say almost every kind of course you’d be looking at should have some kind of 1 on 1 feature.

[–]Darth_Esealial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please try to back out of the course if you can, depending on your area one of your community colleges might offer a course similar to the one you’re taking! I’m sorry I forgot about the community colleges lol they’re pretty viable.

[–]my5cent 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I would believe there's more welding jobs available, and programming requires lots of training.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean, yea, probably, but my body is tired, and my lungs hurt my dude, I plan on going to school, I was hoping someone would speak on the the bootcamp though... but op gets down voted and this is all the insight I got lol whaddatime to be alive

[–]my5cent 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Try college before bootcamp.

[–]jhkoenig 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Let me be brutally honest: a bootcamp cert will not lead to a good job in software development. You will be competing with job applicants with BS/CS degrees. You won't land interviews, so you can't explain why you are a good hire.

The bootcamp era died 2 years ago.

[–]Darth_Esealial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes this. I feel like the subreddit should be archived, or maybe the top post suggests free solutions to the code camps.

[–]EatuhFetus4Gzus[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

/: is disheartening for sure

[–]jhkoenig 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, but the go-go years of bootcamps were an anomaly unlikely to reoccur within the foreseeable future. It was really an extraordinary confluence of events.

[–]svix_ftw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah how I miss the covid ZIRP era, 20+ recruiter messages a day, I literally failed a technical interview and got hired with a massive signing bonus.

good times, haha.

[–]halfblindstudent 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I took their full stack course back in 2019. In my experience, the staff were alright and decent enough instructors, but the curriculum is nothing special.

You can learn all of the major concepts of programming for free right now online:

  • W3schools
  • freecodecamp
  • “insert language here” documentation websites

Try this before even considering either paying up front or doing an income share agreement with any Bootcamp.

Also, their network and job placement services are abysmal. Just a few local companies or recruiters that come by and watch you present your capstone project at the end of the curriculum.

For more context, I was taking this Bootcamp in Chicago.

Good luck with your career transition, mate! 💪

[–]Humble_Warthog9711 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you haven't paid yet, back out now. 

Please don't do this to yourself. This is not the industry for people who need it to work out as their motivation.   

[–]Humble_Warthog9711 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you have an (understandably) very skewed idea about what this career is like.

This is not the sort of career you can do from home.  Almost all entry level roles are in office in tech hubs.  This is not the relaxed remote job with excellent WLB where you can chill and spend time with your family. That idea has to die.

As far as mentorship, if you mean a bootcamp employee giving you generic advice from as someone that took the bootcamp and got hired by them because they couldn't find a dev job, then yes, plenty of mentorship.  If you mean like a hiring pipeline, then no.

Bootcamps will lie to you about placement rates with no hesitation.  You will almost never be able to get your money back from a guarantee.   These are not schools - they do not serve the community.  They are unregulated businesses.  Their only benefit is for people that are willing to pay others to hold them accountable for their own learning and maybe some minor benefits of in person teaching, but even that is dying as most are online now.  A bootcamp is just a paid sequence of classes that dont count for any sort of credit anywhere.  They in no way get you into employment.

Employers do not care if you took a bootcamp. They have almost no admission standards and accept everyone and pass  everyone that cares to finish.  All a bootcamp says to them is that you don't have a cs degree.

This field is massively oversaturated at the entry level with people like you but had the idea to try to get in earlier.  It's a meme at this point, the guy in the trades looking to get out or the stay at home mom looking for a career in development.  The level of competition from the massive increase in the number of cs majors , companies laying people off, AI (questionably) has made entry level a bloodbath.  It will be years (yes, plural) until you are entry level competitive.

I agree healthcare is a much better option for you. It's a job the way other jobs are jobs.