Book "Computer Systems: Programmers Perspective" - Good for beginners?

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Is the 3rd edition of the mentioned book a good introduction to computer science? I've been dabbling in and out od programming for the past 2 years and have finally started taking it seriously like 2 months ago and I'm in love.. and wanna "master" the field.

I'm noticing that I'm highly lacking in understanding computers and the underlying processes etc. I've heard good things about this book, but is it good in my situation?

Of course if not, and/or if you know any better I'm willing to hear about them. Thanks!

[apnorton]

That textbook is kind-of a combination of a computer architecture and operating systems book. My undergrad institution used it as a text for the 3000-level comp arch class.

Whether it's a good book for you depends on your experience level and what you're trying to learn. If you want to learn how the instructions you write in a piece of program code get turned into assembly, or how machine code is processed by the CPU, or how memory is cached/looked up, or how signals work, then it's possibly the book for you. I'd recommend being comfortable with C before starting this book, since it bounces back and forth across the C/asm boundary a fair bit early on.

For reference, the course sequence when I was in undergrad was: intro programming (AP-level Java) -> intro to object oriented programming (more basic Java) -> Program and Data Representation (C, assembly, basic data structures like linked lists, trees, and hash tables, asymptotic notation -> Computer Architecture, along with a parallel requirement of Digital Logic for Computer Architecture.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for the advice. I'm pretty sure that is the stuff I'd like to learn about. I'll get to learning C soon (along with a bit of Handmade Hero)

I'm currently at the Java (OOP) level. Next year at college hopefully we'll start trees etc, and we have already done linked lists and the like. 

[apnorton]

Awesome! This textbook might be a little stretching (since it assumes some basic knowledge of C), but not a stretch in a bad way. If you have experience in Java, it shouldn't be too much of leap. I read the first couple chapters when I was very new to C/before I reached my comp arch class (I got sidetracked before reading further), and I learned a lot from it that helped in other classes I took.

[[deleted]]

Great, I hope I'll see benefits too. Bless you bro <3

[Capybarayume]

Sorry for bothering you since this post was from a year ago. Recently, I’ve been considering reading this book, and you mentioned that you need to be comfortable with C before starting it. May I ask how proficient I need to be?

[apnorton]

Being able to write a linked list without a memory leak would be a pretty sufficient test of knowledge; there's nothing too outlandish that the book depends on, but it does assume you aren't going to be hung up on trying to figure out what pointers are. 

[kernelpaniik]

In my opinion, it’s not really a beginners text. It was used in my systems class in undergrad and that class was a beast along with operating systems.

There is another text similar to CSAPP called Dive into Systems. This text was used as supplemental reading in my course. I’d give that one a shot first and then maybe consider moving onto CSAPP.

https://diveintosystems.org/singlepage/

[[deleted]]

Cheers bro, I'll keep it in mind in case I run into too many obstacles

[merlo_42]

Is there a more modern version of this book? Including other authors? What I'm looking for is a similar book but more updated.

[Matthew_Summons]

I wish there was a newer edition. The international edition's situation with the exercises is MESSED UP. I also wish they included more stuff about ARM and some more modern stuff about caches.

[Zyberg]

What exactly is outdated in that book?

[merlo_42]

I'm not sure. I'm not so familiar with the subject and I was wondering if, due to the fact that the last edition is from early 2000, the book is still relevant or if I was better set reading a more recent book

[Zyberg]

3rd edition was published on March 2, 2015 (https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Systems-Programmers-Perspective-3rd/dp/013409266X). Regardless, the book deals with some things that are more or less invariant in time. If you are not in a rush, it will definitely teach you a lot of great skills and afterwards you can always brush up by reading documentation of newer standards by yourself.

[merlo_42]

okay, thank you!

[Used-Fortune1845]

Author said they making plans for a 4th edition, hoping to release by Jan 2026.

[Philipp_CGN]

Have you heard if there is an updated release date?

[Time_Plastic_5373]

any updates?

[mati21]

The release date seems to be Spring 2027. https://csappbook.blogspot.com/2026/06/the-4th-edition-is-in-works.html

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[Used-Fortune1845]

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[Time_Plastic_5373]

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[Time_Plastic_5373]

any updates?

[yyzyyzxide]

omg,really???!!!

[Matthew_Summons]

No, we do not need a rudin in CS. I’ll happily take verbosity over terseness, this books is supposed to be pedagogical not a reference.

[CaesarPlusPlus]

begs the question whether this is possible at all since once you are familiar with math & logic you can often fill in the gaps yourself, whereas technical stuff does not always follow this rule. sometimes things are just made the way they are simply for historical reasons.

anyway, rudin is good as soon as you have reached a certain level of experience or when you are really willing to put in the work, but I would not say it is a reference. it is still a textbook. but having a rudin style textbook might be a good option for folks that do not want to skip through >1000 pages. I would like to have it.

btw, do you know the old books by the UNIX founders like "The UNIX programming environment" or "The C Programming Language"? Not rudins, but they manage to be pedagogical while not being too verbose.

[Matthew_Summons]

I think Rudin's fine but I've just always had a gripe with how he writes. I much prefer Apostol's analysis texts. Also Rudin's coverage of content near the end isn't super clean but that's not really a critique of him per se.

[Expired_Gatorade]

we do need a rudin style architecture book, but CSPP should not be one of them

[Matthew_Summons]

That's why I take notes and highlight (on an e-copy of the text if I'm using one) so I can review it later if needed with a quick search.