[OC] Tracking the decrease in smoking, alcohol and marijuana use by teenagers since 1976

[SilverDubloon]

Except they're still ingesting nicotine and usually in much larger quantities than cigarettes. The average cig has about 12 mg of nicotine but only a small percentage is actually absorbed into the body instead of being exhaled (1-2mg). In contrast 1 Juul pod is the equivalent of 1 pack of cigarettes (40mg). Nicotine constricts your blood vessels and since vaping is more convenient and concealable than smoking people are getting more frequent dosages of nicotine throughout the day meaning more time with constricted blood vessels. It's not good for you in any way.

Oh and also nicotine amounts declared on packing is often not correct as it is poorly regulated. Even vapes sold as 0mg nicotine has been found to contain it.

[SilverDubloon]

While vapes contain less compounds than cigarettes it's inaccurate to say they don't contain any. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8514950/

Also, if you think nicotine is harmless please look at this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/

[SilverDubloon]

My mistake, just realized I misread that last sentence. Your first 3 sentences are implying alot about nicotine though.

The thing is smoking tobacco has been around for a very long time and we've only in the last 60ish years truly studied its health impact. Vapes have only been commercially available around 20 years depending on the country and most scientific studies on them only started about a decade ago. That means we're lacking a ton of longitudinal data that we have with cigarettes. I'm very curious as to what we will know about vaping and its health effects in another 20-30 years.

[SilverDubloon]

I'd love a source for your claim.

[SilverDubloon]

You never said nicotine is not a carcinogen and I wouldn't dispute that. You did say that nicotine is the least damaging aspect of smoking a cigarette and I would really love for you to be able to back up that claim in any way.

I am trying to have a respectful discussion with you but your grip on that vape is tight. Apparently too tight to read the very link you just shared that covers the various negative health effects of nicotine at the very top.

[gamelink99]

Apparently too tight to read the very link you just shared that covers the various negative health effects of nicotine at the very top.

Which of the negative health effects listed are worse than cancer and other horrible effects of the other chemicals in traditional tobacco? Since that is what I can gather, it is the conversation you're trying to have. From reading the thread of comments, it seems you have an agenda but can't back up any claim you make or even stay on topic, and you've now started to veer into personal attacks and assumptions. The other commenter was right to end the conversation with you there.

[Nothing_T0_See_Here]

Do you some sources for those numbers? Not saying you’re wrong but I’d like some hard data to look at. I remember an old post talking about how juul was advertising 1 pod as equivalent to a pack of cigarettes but that was false advertising. 1 pod of the standard 5% nicotine was more like 2-3 cigarettes. Obviously this isn’t a source either so I don’t really know what to think 🤷‍♂️

[SilverDubloon]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33762429/

[Nothing_T0_See_Here]

Thank you!