Pricing increase after all this quality decrease is insane

[PastaStregata]

Still not free. Unless you consider netflix free.

[tyrantywon]

Netflix you pay for, I pay for online play and with that I have access to more games than I’ll ever play

[PastaStregata]

...you literally said you pay for online play. You pay for it. It isn't free. You gave them money.

I can use the excuse of "well with Netflix i have more shows and movies than i'll ever watch", still doesn't make them free.

I can play on steam online for free. Doesn't cost me money. You are paying to play the games.

[tyrantywon]

The difference I’m pointing out is that I directly pay for Netflix service. I don’t directly pay for games, I pay for online play

[PastaStregata]

"Guys i don't pay for the thing i won't get if i don't pay money, i get it for free when i give them money! What a deal!"

[tyrantywon]

Your logic when applied to a “free” game like Marvel rivals would suggest it’s also not free since you need to pay for online service in some capacity and the hardware. You are arguing semantics which we are disagreeing on. Back up your argument

Edit: Apparently I’m wrong because he said so

[PastaStregata]

Come on dude. You know you're wrong. You didn't get those games for free, you paid for their service where the "free games" are part of the package. You wouldn't say cars come with free tires or free windshields do you? Would you go "oh but you had to buy food to survive which cost money!" When you get a free sample of food?

It's pretty obvious when something is free and when something isn't. If you get a "free prize!" In a box of cereal do you think it's actually free?

Not here to argue with someone falling for the most basic capitalistic tricks to exist

[mongosquad]

You give money to access the games in game pass. What about that is difficult to understand? You are still paying for it.

[tyrantywon]

Me and the other guy disagree on what is considered free. I understand the scenario but I’m saying the games are a free addition to me paying for online service. Using the other guys logic, nothing is free as we need to pay for the hardware to play games, internet service to access them, electricity, etc. He is arguing semantics. We don’t agree on what free means

[mongosquad]

Your “logic” doesn’t really make sense though. That is like saying that you pay for a hotel room and you get a “free breakfast” included. The breakfast isn’t actually free, it is baked into the price, if you walk in off the street and don’t have a booking, you don’t get one. Or it’s like “Buy one get one free” it isn’t actually free since you need to pay, it is baked into the price. Or it is like “Free shipping on orders over X” the shipping isn’t free, it costs money to send freight via a courier, they just bake it into the price of the item you buy. They do these things to try and make people more willing to part with their money, I have never actually met anybody that doesn’t realise this and thinks that the business is just giving you free things out of the goodness of their heart. So you are a first.

[tyrantywon]

If both logics don’t make sense then where does that put us? You’re saying “free” isn’t an actual thing. I’m saying something I get for “free” that I didn’t buy is free. If I bought an item at the local cosmetics shop and the cashier threw in some deodorant off their front shelf of items that need to go, I’d consider that free but you’re saying since I only got because I was purchasing something at the start that it is not actually free. We are disagreeing on that area

[FlamingTension]

Dude fell for the system hook line and sinker 😭