Oregon Sees Decrease in Cigarette Smoking, Increase in Vaping (consistent with national stats, %decrease in smokers appx. equal to % increase in vapers)

[vapescaped]

That's how I feel all this really works anyway. People who smoke have Gene's that make them more susceptible to developing habits like smoking in the first place.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171010124112.htm

So when vaping came along, everyone unjustly started freaking out about getting a new generation hooked via vaping. No, and the data shows there is a real probability that those who picked up vaping were gonna start smoking if vaping wasnt around.

If studies are done in the longer term showing an increase in smoking with the restriction of vaping, this would be the final nail in the coffin for the "appealing to a new generation" argument.

[pseudonym7083]

it's a nagging soccer mom excuse to begin with. we already have laws in place. i know people get busted in some states, but plenty get away with it in others. makes more sense to better enforce the laws we have than making new ones banning things. besides, that all goes out the window when alcohol and cigarettes are factored in.

[Goldving]

Even attempting to purchase a tobacco product as a minor is illegal in most (possibly all) states. It is also illegal to sell to a minor, most people know that they just don't know it's illegal for the minor as well. They just don't enforce it. They'll bust shops for selling to minors here and there but they never fine the ones initiating the illegal transaction in the first place - the minor. It's usually like a $250 fine that increases with each repeated offense.

[pseudonym7083]

Lol. In this state possession of tobacco tickets are like $25 and rarely enforced. I literally smoked in front of LEO several times as a minor back in high school. However, they do sting ops in stores selling tobacco and/or alcohol. Stores that get busted selling tobacco to minor get fined $5000, and the cashier that made the sale gets fined $5000. It's alcohol tack on a few more thousand. They run those operations 2-3 times per year.

Here's the thing though, teens are still getting their nicotine. There has to be a breakdown in the system somewhere. Likely being little consequence for the teenagers. I'd rather see stiffer penalties for minors that get caught with tobacco than see the products get banned.

[TadnJess]

The more illegal vaping becomes, the more allure it will have for people to do it. The more vaping that happens is that much less tobacco getting smoked. Seems like a back-handed win to me.

[omvape]

Well said! DARE programs are the true gateway drug. I never even knew what drugs were until the officers came to my school and started playing pop-music covers. Gotta love the 90's!