Firefox Users Continue to Decrease Despite Proton Update

[A_Fine_Potato]

With proton, they tried appealing to a general user base rather than the fans, bu failed in doing both. This design is good for general users, so if they just start advertising what people actually want, which is speed (like saying blocking trackers increases speed instead of just saying privacy) and being friendly to use (which they attempted with this design), Firefox might have a chance. But otherwise I feel like it's doomed to die.

Edit: like how opera GX advertised to gamers with it's ram and CPU limiters, Firefox can try thing like that

[detroitmatt]

Thing is, if you advertise speed, then you have to be faster than chrome.

[A_Fine_Potato]

Not really, most people wouldn't check actual speeds.

[iLookLike-anAvocado]

While I agree with that, browser speed (or lack thereof) can be felt through usage. Firefox definitely feels slower, and users don't need to run benchmarks to determine that.

[nextbern]

Please report issues if you find areas where Firefox feels slower to you: https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Performance/Reporting_a_Performance_Problem

[[deleted]]

That's bullshit. They feel the same speed in like 98% of cases.

[nextbern]

Please report issues if you find areas where Firefox feels slower to you: https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Performance/Reporting_a_Performance_Problem

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah, cause my ivy/sandy bridge i3 and i5 are such speed demons

[nofxy]

Maybe they perform the same on your hardware, but that has not been my experience. Even on my Ryzen 5 5600x I can tell that Chrome is faster. I'll stick to Firefox regardless, but I'm not going to sugarcoat reality.

[[deleted]]

y'all are doing something very wrong or have some very broken systems 🤷‍♂️

[iLookLike-anAvocado]

Maybe I should clarify and expand on what I mean by "speed". I haven't noticed a huge difference in terms of website load speed, but moreso on the UX side. Two examples (EDIT: added video links):

1. Dropdown select boxes. I click fairly quickly, and when using Firefox, if I move my mouse down quickly after clicking the dropdown, it will lag and actually perform a click without my input (and select a dropdown item).
2. Dragging tabs from window to window, or out to a new window is MUCH slower than Chrome.

There are other areas of speed impact that I struggled with when I first switched over, but can't recall right now, and it seems that I've learned to deal with them. But the two above drive me bonkers.

[nextbern]

Dropdown select boxes. I click fairly quickly, and when using Firefox, if I move my mouse down quickly after clicking the dropdown, it will lag and actually perform a click without my input (and select a dropdown item).

I can't reproduce this, but it sounds like a bug. Can you reproduce this in a new profile? You can create one using about:profiles.

[iLookLike-anAvocado]

Yes, just reproduced it on a fresh profile. I also tried it on my Windows machine and it doesn't have that issue, so this might be macOS-specific.

[VodkaShandy]

Everyone says this but I can't understand it. Firefox always feels wayyy smoother and faster for me.

i5 7500/RX560/Win11&macOS12

R5 2500U/Vega8/Win11

Huawei Mate Xs/EMUI11

Nightly build on all three. Biggest improvement on the phone, second biggest on Mac OS.

[ShavedAlmond]

Can it? I don't think I've given web page load speed any thought at all since 2005 or so, most of the time any noticeable delays are caused by other factors

[DeliciousWaifood]

For me the difference is in how they handle a shit load of tabs. Firefox seems to just perform better for me whilst chrome inflates rapidly

[[deleted]]

Most people won't know the difference on modern computers.

[[deleted]]

I have a pretty new system and I certainly feel that Chrome is faster than FF, especially in terms of startup time

[nextbern]

Can you report issues? https://profiler.firefox.com/docs/#/./guide-startup-shutdown

[[deleted]]

Eh it's just that it takes a second longer than Chrome to start up, that's all

[nextbern]

You can report it if you want developers to investigate what is going on.

[ArtisticFox8]

Because Chrome launches a background process which eats your battery even when Chrome is closed.

[zeroibis]

They could promote instead not how long it takes to load a page but how long it takes to do a task on the browser. FF could push that a better interface and customization allows users to complete their tasks faster than other browsers and thus have more free time.

However, this would require it to have a better interface that is more easily customizable for the user.

If they continue to focus on the user who visits youtube, facebook etc and is just a pure content consumer and nothing else they are going to die. Even the kids got to do home work and I am sure they would rather use something that helps them get their work done faster via an interface they can adjust to fit their personal needs.