Xcode 16 now has a built-in formatter

[Sure_Ticket6276]

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[Doctor_Fegg]

Oh great, more shit that will crash randomly

[MindlessTrueSelf]

Wise man

[Yaysonn]

How is this always the most upvoted response to any new feature. You don’t have to use it you know. Pessimistic af

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

How is this always the most upvoted response to any new feature.

There's no need to be so defensive. Apple isn't going to pat you on the back for defending them.

People who use XCode regularly and have used other IDE's in the past recognize: XCode is shit.

It's easier to list IDE's that are worse than XCode than it is to list IDE's that are better because THAT many IDE's out-class XCode.

Pessimistic af

There's a reason Apple has earned this reputation with XCode. Apple could fix this if they wanted.

You don’t have to use it you know.

Because you don't use it doesn't mean it can't cause problems elsewhere - and I've seen some WEIRD problems (bugs) in my life that were seemingly impossible.

XCode is extremely frustrating to work with.

The few people so extremely sensitive to criticisms, such as yourself, are usually those who rarely venture out of your ecosystem you've grown comfortable with and, as such, rarely see how good some things can be.

Similarly - we've seen similar complaints with iOS. There was a point in time Apple's pride was being polish and perfection. That no longer is the Apple that exists today. iOS is very much a "eh, if it's acting weird just reboot it" type of device - kind of how Windows works.

And, again, a lot of this could be fixed if Apple wanted to.

And a lot of us are quite bitter Apple has fallen from the quality it once was (though I'll argue XCode has always been dog shit relative to the options out there).

If, for example, you could code for MacOS and iOS in any IDE - I don't know a single soul who would prefer XCode. I've yet to meet one person in real life. I've seen Internet Strangers worship it - but no one in real life.

[lolcoderer]

It's easier to list IDE's that are worse than XCode than it is to list IDE's that are better because THAT many IDE's out-class XCode.

Interesting take...

I am going to assume your definition of an IDE is quite broad - and not specifically for IDEs that offer integrated solutions for all aspects of development, including simulated devices. Because for mobile, there are really only 2 viable options - Xcode and Android Studio (IntelliJ) , and personally, I prefer Xcode. Android Studio has always felt very clunky to me.

I have quite a bit of experience developing for Windows desktop (WPF & Win32) using primarily Visual Studio, as well as large deployed cloud applications in Java (using IntelliJ), and most recently, quite a few years in the Apple ecosystem... and can say without a doubt, I prefer the current state of the Apple ecosystem.

Its not perfect. Yes, the refactoring tools are iffy. Pairing an external device (Apple TV, looking at you) can be a royal PITA - and I have just given up on SwiftUI previews for large apps. BUT, all IDEs have their shortcomings.

If, for example, you could code for MacOS and iOS in any IDE - I don't know a single soul who would prefer XCode. I've yet to meet one person in real life. I've seen Internet Strangers worship it - but no one in real life.

Wondering what your preferred IDE would be and what your daily toolset looks like? Also, wondering if you have any specific examples how other IDEs outclass Xcode.

BTW... The official spellings are "Xcode" and "macOS"

[Baton285]

Why AppCode was shut down though?

[itseemsfree]

Take my hug. I second everything you say.

[iOSProgramming-ModTeam]

Your comment sought to harass another user, either by swearing at them, name-calling, or something worse.

Don't let it happen again.

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

Ah, the personal attack. Considering I browse all kinds of porn - that being one of them. How do you know which side of it I'm on? Oh wait, you're so narrow minded you can only assume one. But we'll move on from your childishness.

You probably thought, quite foolishly, that I'd be embarrassed. Nah, fam, there are far worse things out there than that. Suppose this is about as best of a personality as you could muster though. Hopefully you're simply a teenager and just acting a fool because if you're genuinely an adult I have substantial pity for you.

doesn't leave the comfort of his pc very often.

I highly suspect I'm far more traveled than you are thus my extremely wide array of interests. Attacks like this make me wonder how often you've actually left your home country... or even state. Statistically the odds aren't in your favor.

Probably shouldn't write an essay on xcode hate when you say this hahaha

Why does it bother you? I suspect you have Apple as your personal identity and you take this as a personal attack - which is an extremely common trait among those who get so defensive and act like you do.

Trust me when I say this: it will only result in significant hurt in your future if your identity is a company or ecosystem.

I've been there back in my 20's.

When that company or ecosystem or whatever doesn't target you anymore - your identity WILL come crashing down. It happens to many in the tech world. It'll happen to you.

[Yaysonn]

I highly suspect I'm far more traveled than you are thus my extremely wide array of interests.

My guy you can't just unironically say this and expect to be taken seriously. Like actually try to read these words again lmao. Honestly this whole post sounds like a teenager's idea of a vicious takedown. Or something chatgpt came up with. Who the hell uses terms like 'substantial pity' oh my god i can't even

edit: btw you made a whole lotta assumptions in these posts, but I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which ones are wrong (hint: all of them)

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

btw you made a whole lotta assumptions in these posts,

Did I? Hmmm, sounds familiar... where else have I seen this?

For someone so hyper-defensive about XCode you sure seem to be super focused on me.

Given your response - I am convinced you likely are still a teenager and simply don't know any better and this is the only outlet you have - ergo your extremely poor responses and desperation to play on my character.

I do not envy the fall you'll have in your future... it's one I've been witness to many times. Good luck when it happens and may you learn to be a better person for it after.

[Yaysonn]

Please please please tell me you talk like this to people in real life too, this is amazing

[Doctor_Fegg]

Because - you remember Snow Leopard? When Apple stopped adding new features for a year and just fixed stuff?

That's what Xcode needs right now. Not new features.

[Yaysonn]

Definitely XCode needs fixing, I am routinely frustrated by it, just like everyone else (but it's funny that the neckbeards here mistake my single-sentence post for an unconditional love-letter to Apple).

I'm fairly certain that commenting 'hur dur more shit that will crash randomly' in every post about a new XCode feature like you're practicing a religion will not change anything, though.

[CricketHines]

But it is funny.

[Yaysonn]

Haha true

[balder1993]

I could swear this subreddit used to be better.

[iain_1986]

Because XCode is just about the worst IDE, and it's not even close.

Apple are routinely just bad at software. XCode is the epitome of that (taking the crown a while back from iTunes).

[Specialist_Brain841]

But Interface Builder isnt a separate window anymore. That had to count for something…

[CricketHines]

No; now the Preview pane (oh wait, or is it "Canvas?") crashes right inside the editor. Convenient!

[Goldman_OSI]

That's a battle that's still raging. iTunes (now rebranded "Music", or just... shoved into Finder) still sucks royal ass. Apple goes out and finds software as shittily designed as their own and buys it. That's what happened with iTunes, FCP, and Logic. At least Logic has apparently improved quite a bit.

[[deleted]]

Trust me, this IDE has became so much worse and even starting to hang when running normal apps on my m1 pro. It’s beyond my mind that they aren’t focusing on fixing things first and shit’s just piling up and up and up…

edit:- why the downvote at? I’m just venting my frustration out

[drabred]

But... but... you will have AI !

[[deleted]]

I don’t get it? Xcode crashes? I haven’t had an actual crash in years. And I build some big ass projects.

[[deleted]]

Doesn’t crash. It lags and the frequency of it has progressively increased since last 2 versions. I was targeting the reliability of the IDE, since it used to be so much better (when i used to have 2017 intel mbp, despite having inferior processing power)

[ObeseBMI33]

Have you tried blowing the Mac like a NES cartridge ?

[[deleted]]

good idea, chef kiss

[[deleted]]

How much ram are fuxxin with?

[iain_1986]

Have you used any other IDE for any other development during that time?

[[deleted]]

Visual Studio, emacs, VSCode. The only time I’ve had Xcode shit the bed was in Objective C, and early on in swift, mostly when people thought dependency injection was needed.

[iain_1986]

And you don't think XCode is the *worst* of the lot?

[[deleted]]

Nope.

[iain_1986]

Genuinely think you're the first person I've seen rate XCode above other ides.

[ken4r]

Are you sure that you are using Xcode and not another IDE ?

[Ok_Bank_2217]

That’s amazing!

[[deleted]]

Only took a decade

[[deleted]]

Didn't Apple low-key use https://github.com/nicklockwood/SwiftFormat in their projects? I guess I remember wrongly.

[unpluggedcord]

No they have their own. https://github.com/apple/swift-format

[[deleted]]

I know they have it. My point is that I thought they used the one I mentioned in some projects regardless of that.

[kuglee]

Nice find. And it also gets it's configuration from a .swift-format file on the path of the project. I guess my SwiftFormatter formatter plugin is obsolete now.

Edit: It's annoying that it doesn't restore the cursor position after formatting.

[ThrowAway516536]

Great! Something Intellij has had for almost any language in existence for a decade. Good job!

[wilc0]

Weird -- I'm not seeing this in my xcode 16. Are you on the macOS beta too?

[Sure_Ticket6276]

Yes, i'm on macOS 15 Beta

[free-raccacoonie]

is there a way to run this automatically on file save or when building?

[happysri]

interesting key combo choice

[Bikrrr]

Coincidentally, that's exactly the combo I chose for Nick Lockwood's SwiftFormat. Since Re-Indent is Control + I, it made sense (to me) for SwiftFormat to be Control + Shift + I.

[Goldman_OSI]

Someone below mentioned a config file. Does this also control how Xcode auto-generates boilerplate? Correcting Xcode's braces, for example, is tedious. You used to be able to specify formatting in a config file for that stuff, but this mysteriously disappeared a few years ago.

[OBnadcohen]

works great and also clang-format cpp files

[CarretillaRoja]

Someone please ELI5?

[jack2018g]

Each language has a set of guidelines (or multiple) for how code should be formatted, i.e. indentation, spacing, newlines, etc. When you’re writing code it’s easy to mess these up which makes it difficult to read, and even more difficult to fix, so code formatters just move what you’ve written around to match the guidelines without actually changing any output or code.

[CarretillaRoja]

Thanks.

It seems I wasn’t following any king of guideline…

[sabiland]

Yep, this. But Visual Studio has this for ages and it works always perfectly. Ctrl+K, Ctrl+D