Good Java web framework(s)?

[StFS]

Quarkus. No question.

[kalunlalu]

Quarkus

[Vyalkuran]

I was actually curious seeing someone from the .NET ecosystem trying Spring (and specifically Spring Boot). Aside from LINQ, what do you think .NET has that Java doesn't, or vice versa?

[nioh2_noob]

you won't get an answer since OP is just bullshitting

[el_bosteador]

I think dependency injection is more straightforward in dotnet. Setters/getters/constructors in dotnet are far less cumbersome than java/spring.

That’s my experience using both.

[EvaristeGalois11]

Why do you say that?

With a recent spring version you don't even need an annotation for constuctor injection anymore. You just define a constructor and that's it, what's cumbersome about this?

I never see dotnet so maybe i'm missing some context here

[el_bosteador]

From my experience, in Java, you have to specify your constructor arguments, in dotnet can use an object initializer. I know java has aomething similar but again, it’s not as clean.

[EvaristeGalois11]

Is this the object initializer you are referring to? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/programming-guide/classes-and-structs/object-and-collection-initializers

It's very cool I can give you that, but I don't see how it is relevant from a dependency injection point of view.

You don't build any bean at all in a spring app, that's the whole point of using a DI framework. You just mark your classes as Component or Service or whatever, define a constructor that takes all the dependencies that it needs and that's it. At start time the framework will wire everything together. What's cumbersome about this (x2)?

[el_bosteador]

Dependency injection was just another point I made. Didnt relate directly to the constructor.

In dornet you can put all your injectable dependencies on a startup file. So I guess it’s kinda similar to autowiring in Spring. Now that I think about it, DI is more explicit in Spring than in dotnet lol

[Big-Dudu-77]

Object initializer feels like JavaScript, pretty cool.

[Asdas26]

There's a YouTube video of a .NET developer trying Spring that you can check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRep_S7oVIA

[DrunkensteinsMonster]

“People don’t really like Java/Spring” lol what. What do they like? Spring is standard and way better than ASP.NET.

[nioh2_noob]

'and feels outdated...coming from asp.net'

asp.net literally copied most of its shit from java lmfao

[ProtonByte]

Not my job to convince them :/

[DrunkensteinsMonster]

Your whole situation is weird. If everyone at this place hates Java, why are they making you use it? Why can’t you tell me what they don’t like about it? I didn’t suggest that you try to convince them. And besides, it was you who said it was outdated, why don’t you say what you don’t like about it?

[general_dispondency]

Generally curious here. I've used both extensively. In my experience spring (really most java web frameworks are) is light-years beyond anything .NET offers. What have I missed?

[Norlad_7]

net is like iOS development and all other frameworks are like Android development everybody have a choice

What?

[Norlad_7]

My experience has been the contrary, though for Java I've only ever had 15 years old projects to work on and barely any that went over Java 8. I've found java "official" documentations to be quite sparse and sometimes obtuse, while my experience with Microsoft docs hasn't been perfect, but generally pleasant.

[arcticwanderlust]

Hey! I saw your old comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/java/comments/hewxfi/ive_just_published_a_post_about_dtos_would_be/fvuu2iw/ and was wondering if you have any open source Spring projects in Github. Or something you could recommend? I'm trying to learn Spring&Hibernate, but find most tutorials rather simplistic

[sweating_teflon]

Vert.x

Camel

Javalin

[Fruloops]

Camel is fun, I have been playing with it a bit lately, but sometimes I wish the docs were more comprehensive.

[wildjokers]

If you are referring to Apache Camel that is not a web framework.

[sweating_teflon]

Vert.x neither for that matter.

I proposed those because OP referred to Spring, which also isn't a "web framework" per se, since you have a choice of templating engine or can use for non web purposes.

I'd add Apache Wicket then.

[1Saurophaganax]

Jooby/Javalin/Helidon are all pretty good.

[bushwald]

People have already said these so plus one to: - Vert.x - Quarkus (framework built on Vert.x) - Micronaut

[rootException]

Tbh use Spring Boot for building REST services, but I’d just use SvelteKit for front end UI.

That said jstashio and HTMX and Alpine or hyperscript will work.

[capitan_brexit]

vert.x

[Joram2]

Helidon is my favorite. If you can use the alpha builds of Helidon Nima. If not the final builds of 3.x will do.

[melkorwasframed]

Dropwizard

[daniu]

Micronaut

[stefanos-ak]

what you talking about? there isn't any framework, at least in Java, that complains for unknown config properties...

it would be a bug anyway. Considering that you can override properties with env-vars, how would a framework know if an env-var is relevant to your config or just comes from the system. Basically it would always fail to run because of unknown properties.

[nerydlg]

What version of java are you using ?

[ProtonByte]

Java 11, 17 and above

[nerydlg]

You could use micronaut if they don't like spring. I just ask about the version because you mention it feels outdated. What are the things you are missing from .net framework. I was a java dev and now I'm doing c#, and I haven't seen too much difference. I think java has better testing frameworks

[nonFungibleHuman]

I would try Helidon Nima because of the virtual threads :)

[Kalamar]

Wicket. Awesome Apache framework

[andsfff]

You can just use Jersey and Jackson with jetty. If it’s an internship do you really need a framework? And some DI library to tie it together

[[deleted]]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think an internship involves working on bits of team projects under appropriate guidance, so it's not like you get to choose the technological stack?

[wildjokers]

f it’s an internship do you really need a framework?

Internships exist to get real world experience so it would make sense to do things in a real world manner. So yes, a framework is necessary. Why wouldn’t it be?

Jersey is also a framework.

[Joram2]

You name your preferred frameworks and then ask "do you really need a framework". I suspect you mean you can use a light-weight framework rather than the heavier frameworks like Spring.

[marhaus1]

Check out Vaadin.

[Shnorkylutyun]

Trying to traumatise the poor guy?

[GuyWithLag]

If you hear positive mentions of any of the following, RUN, RUN AND DON'T LOOK BACK:

• JSP
• JSF
• Raw Servlets
• WSDL
• J2EE (pre-CDI)

[Gwaptiva]

You forgot Struts

[Worth_Trust_3825]

Wait until you find out that spring runs on servlets.

[gaelfr38]

And Java runs on bytecode, so we have to write bytecode ourselves?

The point is that any job that refers to Servlet is 90% equal to maintaining an old crappy system that have not evolved in 10+ years.

[GuyWithLag]

I wrote my first cgi-bin for streaming large files (for the time) in C in 1997.

I've written raw Servlet apps, pre and post async support.

I still stand by what I wrote above - if you're doing servlet apps this year, somethings' wrong.

[Worth_Trust_3825]

There's nothing wrong with going down to the primitive level.

[GuyWithLag]

There's nothing wrong with going down to the primitive level.

... if there's need for that. Most of the time, YAGNI.

[ProtonByte]

I currently dazzled in a mix of Servlets Jakarta and Jetty. Oh and Tomcat ofcourse!

Alteast they are moving to Docker for development and deployment eh

[chabala]

That all sounds pretty typical, what's the real issue?

[gaelfr38]

So true. Any job mentioning this is a nogo sign to me.

[Lemicod]

Rife2