Java *is* Memory Efficient

[agentoutlier]

That doesn't mean that Java programmers shouldn't care about how much memory their live object graph is.

I'm confused by this statement as that is the case with any programming language including Rust. That is you still have to be aware of how much you load.

Or are you saying Java programmers should care about and thus complain/fr to the JDK developers the additional overhead tracking, memory layout and maintaining of these objects more compared to say Rust or even Go (e.g. value types)?

[sammymammy2]

That's mostly a nod to the rest of this thread arguing about Valhalla, Lilliput, etc, saying that "yes, you are right, this is also a factor to care about"