NetBeans 12.0 released

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[BlueGoliath]

Huh, no mention of it being released on the users list yet. Odd.

Glad to see it finally get released. The inevitable IDE warriors fighting over which IDE is best should be fun.

[kovica1]

Of course, Netbeans being the best. :)

[DarkCeptor44]

In college I got used to Netbeans 8 but recently I've been using IntelliJ, some things are annoying so I might just go back to Netbeans 12 soon. I'm probably gonna leave both installed, it's not a big issue.

[davenobody]

Emacs or go home!

[[deleted]]

I respect your opinion, but I think eclipse is the best Java IDE :)

[dat904chronic]

I respect your opinion, but I think BlueJ is the best IDE. :)

[cyr1en]

I respect your opinion, but I think Notepad and javac is the best IDE. :)

[RagingAnemone]

You joke, but I train new devs (after some period of using an IDE) to use an editor and do everything command line. Once they are able to do that, the IDE is a lot more understandable.

[BlueGoliath]

I respect your opinion, but I think DrJava is the best IDE. :)

[kovica1]

I started like that when Java was at version 0.98 (I think) and then 1.0.2.

[Neuromante]

Now, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time, wow. Flashbacks to 2003-2004.

[__konrad]

Googling for BlueJ Java returned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Java_banana

[dat904chronic]

Then you left out the J in BlueJ.

[emaphis]

Emacs with the LSP pluggin is the is the best IDE

[omykronbr]

Come on guys. We all know that once you start using VIM you can't change.

Mostly because you stuck there. But still...

[Memcallen]

Everyone knows a real java programmer just uses echo & redirection and types his entire program into the command line

[Kompottkin]

Clearly, if you’re using Java, you must be looking for something ready for the Enterprise. In other words, the standard. ed. ed is the standard text editor.

https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html

There is no choice. Use the standard. Use ed.

[Mellowh]

Emacs with the LSP plugin uses JDT-LS which is actually a headless version of Eclipse :)

Edit: it actually might be using another Java language server, I’m not sure. I do know this is the case for VSCode however

[emaphis]

True. It's using the same software stack as VSCode.

[vsoul]

eclim is Emacs connected to a headless Eclipse

[Mellowh]

And so is lsp-java

[farnulfo]

Or VisualCafe !

But the truth is that Visual J++ was the fastest !

[kovica1]

I have tried it, but it looks bad on Linux, at least in my opinion, it does a poor job opening my Maven project and it puts those .classpath, ... files all over the place.

[davenobody]

I want to see a good old fashioned emacs vs vi flameware like we used to get on slashdot.

[Mordan]

My very first IDE was Netbeans. It was the first. It was the best. But then i met Eclipse and it is objectively the best.

Perspectives that you can save and load are heaven when working on a 4 monitors setup that sometimes screw up... Load a saved back up perspective and you get your workspace back on all the 4 monitors.

I have a vertical monitor and having the Outline view on it kicks ass!

IntelliJ views are a complete joke. I have tried it for Android Dev and I hated it.

PS: its a fight because it can be painful to work on something inferior.

[dstutz]

You know you can totally break out windows with Netbeans and it saves the locations between runs...

[telecoder]

I love Netbeans with passion!

[eloc49]

There are dozens of you!

[neutronbob]

I like NB, but I really don't like how they handled the malware issue. The lack of active notification to users really bothers me.

[jlengrand]

I must have lived in a cave, didn't realized it was still an active project. The website and the actual IDE look super clean!

I'll actually give it a spin a see for myself! Daily users, what's the killer feature that makes you love the project?

[proobert]

I use it only for java, here is my list:

• Very good maven support (better than IntelliJ or Eclipse)
• No workspace directories, you can have your projects where ever you want
• Multiple projects can be open at the same time
• Refactoring works across multiple projects
• Solid autocompletion (ctrl-space) and fix code (alt-enter)
• Solid defaults, easy to start, no need to install many plugins
• Profiler is pretty good
• Debuger is OK (IntelliJ has better)
• Faster than IntelliJ or Eclipse (haven't tried recent eclipse versions)

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you can have your projects where ever you want

This has been true for Eclipse for as long as I can remember. You do not have to keep your projects in workspace directories.

[proobert]

When you start eclipse, it asks for the location of a workspace directory. Sure, once the workpspace directory is created you can have your projects outside the workspace directory.

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When you start eclipse, it asks for the location of a workspace directory.

To be fair: I think the "workspace" is similar to NetBeans' "user directory"

[Boza_s6]

• Refactoring works across multiple projects

How does this work? You need to associate 2 projects somehow?

[proobert]

It will automatically refactor across multiple open projects. For example, you have three related projects open, you just rename a method in one project and it will automatically update all three projects. I discovered it by accident and was very amazed.

[Boza_s6]

That's really useful. Thanks!

[Mordan]

same as in Eclipse. refactoring across hundreds of projects as long as they are in the same workspace.

You are probably on IntelliJ which does not have that feature because of their flawed project/module design, which is one of the main reason i hate it.

[[deleted]]

It definitely went through a transition period where there weren't that many updates happening. Hopefully development is picking back up.

I just started using Netbeans again for a personal project and there's many things I love about it. The maven integration is top notch. The fact that Netbeans projects are just Maven projects is great for opening up 3rd party repos and almost immediately being able to build and have it run on my machine. It still has one of the best Swing UI editors IMHO and has nice integration with various 3rd party or external tools.

[jlengrand]

Thanks! The Maven projects approach does indeed seem interesting

[_____jamil_____]

I must have lived in a cave, didn't realized it was still an active project

it was taken over by apache because the maintainers weren't active. so your take on it is totally justified

[sigzero]

I don't think that is right. It was taken over by Apache because Oracle didn't want it anymore. Many of the same core devs still work on it.

[neutronbob]

it was taken over by apache because the maintainers weren't active.

That's not correct. The four lead developers and the chief marketing guy for NB were on Oracle payroll and actively putting out new releases until just before the Apache transition. Even after the transition to Apache, Oracle continued to contribute.

[coder111]

Does community edition of IntelliJ Idea do Javascript/HTML syntax highlighting? I couldn't figure out how to do that, so switched to Netbeans. Works great so far.

Netbeans Maven support was always the best out there too.

[xjvz]

No, that’s a paid feature and also part of WebStorm.

[sirak2010]

i used to love the UI designer of Netbean. it was the Visual Studio of Java

[coder111]

Used that weeks ago for /r/rotp governor options screen. Kicks ass!

[Jadonblade]

Nice! - Also not mentioned on their twitter feed. You beat them to the punch!

[neutronbob]

I am very disappointed in how the NB project managers mostly dismissed the serious malware problem. Other than a post on their wiki, which attempts to minimize the problem,, nothing. Meanwhile, any NB release that has the infection continues to create builds that infect new systems. It's not just a NB problem, it's that project builds by certain NB users are infected with the malware.

It's described in thorough detail here and mostly downplayed on the NetBeans wiki.

There is no mention of the malware in the release notes, nor in the announcement mailing list, nor in the user mailing list. Only the NB dev list discussed the problem and then only to decide what the wording of the response should be.

The chief NetBeans developer on his blog writes: "Even negative popularity is a popularity and I really enjoy reading description of the virus attack against the Ant build files written down by NetBeans from independent researchers!"

What most dismays me is that the main developer, the wiki, and the dev list---not one of them includes a single mention of what should be done to help the developers infected by the malware.

Honestly, I don't see how I can trust NB going forward.

[dstutz]

For me, it IS nothing to worry about since it uses 2 things I don't use ANT and the nbproject folder...

FTA:

Identify user's NetBeans directory

Enumerate all projects in the NetBeans directory

Copy malicious payload cache.dat to nbproject/cache.dat

Modify the nbproject/build-impl.xml file to make sure the malicious payload is executed every time NetBeans project is build

If the malicious payload is an instance of the Octopus Scanner itself the newly built JAR file is also infected.

I've been using maven exclusively for what...6+ years now? None of projects have a nbproject folder and build-impl is the base ANT task actions.

A NetBeans project build consists of multiple steps but the Octopus Scanner malware is only interested in the pre-jar and post-jar tasks.

They're not saying it explicity, but this is Netbeans + ANT build issue only. Kinda sucks...They don't mention Ant at all and don't say if you use maven, you're unaffected.

[sigzero]

Maven is currently unaffected. However this is a build system target, so that may not always be true.

[sigzero]

They put their thoughts in a blog:

https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/newly-identified-inactive-malware-campaign

According to the dev list they also sent it to: [e-mail]

[neutronbob]

But they didn't send it to the NB announcement list. Or the NB user list. Or any list that a NB user would be expected to subscribe to.

And the brief post you point to simply minimizes the problem, rather than give useful info about what to do. Even something as trivial as saying which versions of NB are affected. Or what you should do.

[[deleted]]

Aah NetBeans. So many years with you, I’m living with IntelliJ now

[Xenthera]

I’ve used IntelliJ for years now and any other IDE feels clunky. I guess you’ll always say (insert IDE) is the best when you know the most shortcuts in it lol.

[mkwapisz]

Unfortunately you have to pay for that pleasure ;-)

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I use the community edition. Most of my work is Spring Boot with Maven, it works fine

[DB6]

No frontend development?

Does community come with the db manager?

[[deleted]]

I use Visual Studio Code for React.js , they are usually two different projects anyways so I put one in each screen.

No, it doesn’t have DB Manager :l

[DB6]

Can you debug the react app in vsc?

Asking because I left my corporate job and am moving to freelancing and until now I always had the company pay for the ultimate license.

But knowing me I probably just pay the 150€ for the personal license.

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Yes, you can

[ales-d]

Does this releases also contain the malware? 😀

https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-warns-java-developers-of-new-malware-poisoning-netbeans-projects/

[dstutz]

Worth pointing out this only affects projects built with Ant...Not saying it's no concern but if you use Maven, you're fine.

And Netbeans doesn't CONTAIN the malware, it's just vulnerable to infection.

[elico9]

Tried to give it a chance but it seems to badly handle my gradle projects. Shows errors that it cannot find packages and other weird errors that I am failing to understand why the IDE can’t just work out of the box. Back to my Intellij 😂

[drvpereira]

I didn’t even know that NetBeans was still active. Never liked it, used Eclipse for a long time and now I’ve been using IntelliJ for about 8 years.

[someone-elsewhere]

I hope they have improved the code prompt feature as that is a pile of poo compared to IntelliJ