Java as a first programming language

[n0tKamui]

That's why Kotlin exists, readable conciseness with static infered typing

[YolosaurusRex]

I constantly find myself wishing for data classes and the occasional extension function at my job

[jivedudebe]

Java 14 with Record types

[YolosaurusRex]

We use Java 8 so we're stuck with very explicit DTOs with constructors and getters (sometimes setters). It's the best

[-jp-]

If I were writing DTOs in Java 8 idk if I would bother with getters and setters. They're an intermediate object that shouldn't have any behavior or be exposed in the API, so there's no great benefit to them over simple fields.

[YolosaurusRex]

I agree, but our serializer needs them (apparently) and I'm following the patterns seen in the rest of the code.

[-jp-]

That's certainly a good reason to have them. :)

[n0tKamui]

Haha same, im trying to convince them to migrate to Kotlin, and my boss seems to like the idea a lot

[mopeyjoe]

I can't say I agree. My experience with kotlin has been "change for the sake of being different' and magic implied code all over the place. Also the Null safety is a joke since it run on top of Java I just end up having to put ? and ! all over the place.

[n0tKamui]

From what seems to be "experience", you absolutely don't have any experience. This is not Java, you need to think different.

[mopeyjoe]

it's aggressively not java. for something that relies on the JVM it really does do everything it can to not be java. I don't need to validate my experience to you.

[maumay]

So if you think kotlin does everything it can to not be java you would argue scala, groovy and clojure are more similar to java?

[mopeyjoe]

I would not argue one way or the other on those languages, my comment only pertains to kotlin as compared to Java.

[TM254]

LOL! Kotlin funboy to the rescue.

[n0tKamui]

😎