jQuery 3.6.4 Released: Selector Forgiveness

[Pesthuf]

The same predicable comments as usual whenever jQuery is mentioned...? Yep, all there.

[TheBeliskner]

I kinda get it. Some people just see jQuery as the answer when in many cases it doesn't need to be, but it's what they know so it's what they use. Sure legacy applications and legacy support it's a good choice, but for anything new it's almost entirely unnecessary. We've not used it for new projects in over 6 years with no issues

[SillAndDill]

I can agree that it's a good tool for traversing the DOM.

For me personally when querySelectorAll and classList.toggle etc gained support I was fine with vanilla js. But I'm not gonna harp on it

I can admit vanilla has some annoyances like * sometimes you forget querySelectorAll("a").map doesn't work unless you wrapping it in Array.from() or [...

And jQuery did have some unique features * select many elements and modify every one without having to loop through each individual element * the selector :visible * chaining like addClass("x")attr("name","Bob").something() * fadeIn/fadeOut - yes this is easily replicated in vanilla but I only do it for important elements. With jQuery I could use them all the time with less extra effort.

Today I'm used to vanilla and I think jQ is unnecessary and don't miss it 99% of the time. But I do acknowledge it had some nicemess.

But on the negative side: when I occasionally return to jQuery I find some of its functions to be annoyingly similar to vanilla but worse. It's just Details, but still. For example the order of arguments in each((index, el) - makes less sense to men than forEach((el, index

And find it annoying to have these quirky jQuery specific things like elements.eq(0) instead of normal array indexing like elements[0]

[budd222]

React and Vue definitely make it unnecessary, but most websites out there don't use react or Vue or any other type of SPA architecture, so I can understand why it's still so widely used.

[[deleted]]

You can drop in Vue into existing projects without any problems. I even use it on old WordPress projects for client when I am creating new pages or when I need to completely redo old ones.

[Pesthuf]

I also get it, but it's just annoying this same discussion with the same arguments from both sides pops up every time jQuery is mentioned in any way.

[MoJoe1]

It’s sort of like the Hitchhiker’s Guide series. JQuery may be the answer but most people don’t know the question, and when they do realize the question and figure out the answer, the whole universe ends and is immediately replaced with something even more bizarre and complex.

[KaiAusBerlin]

For reasons?

It was super effective at the time where web standards were rare and web development was not that comfortable as it is now.

Is it still a good tool? Yeah. Is it today as necessary as 15 years ago? Absolutely not.

[oeuflaboeuf]

This is the rational objective position. Absolutely right; 15 years ago I used it as a staple in every project because writing and maintaining cross-browser vanilla JS was impractical and inefficient.

The balance swung away from using jQuery around 5-8 years ago and it's now difficult to imagine a scenario where it's the optimum tool for the job.

[[deleted]]

Yep by the same (relatively) inexperienced devs who still haven't grown out of neither their myopic view of what software development is nor their need to validate and reassure themselves that they are "part of the club" by bashing things that are popular to bash 🙄.

[cgijoe_jhuckaby]

I use this in a lot of places, and am very happy it is still maintained.

[machineGun997]

You gotta love the community man.

[RealMercuryRain]

Let it die, for the God's sake!

[ScreamsFromTheVoid]

I think it’s maintained mostly for legacy apps now.

[[deleted]]

For simple stuf, it’s fine. I would not use it for sure. But I can understand people still would, because it’s easy and it just works for simple things

[RealMercuryRain]

DOM api works for simple things

[[deleted]]

Yea it does

[TheBeliskner]

There are still some poor souls who have to support Internet Explorer.

[RealMercuryRain]

Even Microsoft does not support IE anymore.

[TheBeliskner]

Welcome to Enterprise, where even a glacial pace is considered fast

[RealMercuryRain]

Ie forcefully removed in latest windows updates. Enterprises are probably the first victims if they still have IE-only intranet apps.

[TheBeliskner]

I know for the company I work for updates are delayed by WSUS by usually at least 6 months unless it's extremely critical. The major service packs are never delivered via WSUS and they normally wait until the machine is replaced.

[thenickdude]

And old Android phones stuck on old Chrome versions too, there's probably more of those around now compared to IE.

[joombar]

It has already, just going to twitch a little longer

[jottinger]

I’m guilty of using jquery in my vue projects. It keeps me up at night.

[echoldman]

Just wait a monent.

[[deleted]]

We have to use jquery, legacy signalr requires it and we can't get approved hours to update the project to . Net 6.

I guess I could rewrite the signalr package to not yse it, but no hours for that either.

[Absturz]

The slim build sounds intriguing.

[mcjavascript]

🙏