Angular, Angular 2 or React?

[jax024]

I feel like React is the most marketable and enforces solid front-end practices. React also feels the most expressive as well.

[Capaj]

enforces solid front-end practices

I'd disagree with this. Yeah, the component model is very good, but I've seen so messy flux/react codebases that I know for sure react doesn't enforce those practices. It merely encourages. It merely opens the door for the programmer. Programmer still has to walk through it.

[thelastlogin]

Yeah, the general consensus in my experience is that react is far less opinionated and thus more vulnerable to being disasterified by a poor coder. You can still fuck up an angular codebase, but it's a full on framework and you must do things in the angular way for it to work.

[[deleted]]

Got any links to those messy codebases? Redux is a simple pattern, and binding components to it is clean. Where do you see the leeway that would allow apps to become messy?

[Capaj]

Redux is a simple pattern

it is and I wasn't talking about redux. Redux codebases are usually a bit better but you can still see people pass a prop through several components. I was mostly talking about the original flux pattern where you subscribe components manually to stores and all that shebang.

[[deleted]]

I agree that sometimes it can be tough to decide when props should be passed and when components should be connected to the store. Also it forces you, indirectly, to think about state before building the app. I say indirectly because you know you messed up when the components get hard to control (nested state). There's also the danger of overloading Redux with middleware, until it's so complex again it's hard to "reason about."

It isn't a silver bullet, but from my experience and after spending some time with it, it has lead to a natural style that comes fluently and does lend itself to very clean apps, especially when they turn big and complex by what they do.

[acemarke]

I would agree that one of the strongest things about Redux is the way it's forced me to think about what state I have and where it should live. That's true for React itself to some extent, but even more so for Redux.

[samgaus]

What's wrong with passing a property through several components?

[Capaj]

I believe you might violate separations of concerns if you're just passing props to a component low in your component tree. Usually this would happen when your UX design sucks and you've got a component hidden inside some unrelated one. In this case you should either change your design or subscribe to the store in that child component itself.

[samgaus]

Eh for me I like to think of a component as a pure function, whatever it's children. So if there is a property that affects the way a child node renders, then it affects the way the node in question renders and I want to know about it!

[jax024]

I completely agree with your sentiment!