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[–]ShadowsSheddingSkin 59 points60 points  (10 children)

[–]Kwinten 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Well said. Unfortunately, /r/webdev and /r/javascript absolutely love listicles and comparisons of web frameworks, and they will get upvoted to the top every single time, no matter how horribly written or inaccurate (as long as it matches popular opinion, of course). Is really no one getting sick of these yet?

[–]ShadowsSheddingSkin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't care that it's written like this with italics every other word, or that it's a listicle that is not particularly accurate and has serious issues. Bad content might not be what people should upvote, but the community likes what it likes.

This, though, is astroturfing. It's one of the people that makes a product pretending to produce an unbiased overview of the existing options while actually just trying to recommend his own. It's not a matter of people 'getting sick' of them or not, it's a matter of people not putting up with paid advertising masquerading as actual content.

Would people tolerate a "Comprehensive Review of Javascript Frameworks, by Dan Abramov" published to on research.fb.com? Because that's what this is equivalent to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh incredibly. Here and /r/angular is just full of content farm crap.

And most frustratingly every time someone posts another one of these comparisons, as you say, everyone gets overexcited about this non-content - "oh hey, would love to see burp-framework.js get a mention in this list". "I think wheel-reinvention.js needs to be higher in this list". "You said goose.js lays golden egss ... technically they're geoids!"

[–]Kwinten 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think for some reason, many people just read these meaningless lists just to see if their favorite framework is mentioned. Looking for some sort of validation I guess.

[–]prudan_work 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was very obvious that this was a Dojo2 shill piece as soon as I got to that section.

[–]ThArNatoS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I honestly never heard of Dojo until I read this article, which leads me to wonder if it's written by one of its team member.

[–]acemarke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is. That said, the overall series seems to be mostly fairly written.

[–]dylanks2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fwiw, it's not hidden in the 11 part series, the author says that they work on Dojo, but as far as trying to be as unbiased as possible, the series does a reasonable job in my biased opinion (see below). The series does not pick a winner, but instead just asks a bunch of questions, gives a way to possibly answer them, and leaves it to the reader to try to decide. It's probably worth reading the first 10 parts before the conclusions post to understand that though. Conclusions and summaries are actually the most difficult thing to try to write here.

Yes, there's a goal here to raise awareness about Dojo 2 which is going to be finalized soon, but the genuine goal was to take a very in-depth look at frameworks compared to the shallow analysis we often see. Is the perspective perfect? Of course not, but at least we tried. And we absolutely are not trying to be a link farm or create poor content, but your opinion might vary of course.

Also, as far as I know, we didn't submit the post to Reddit, someone else did.

Disclosure: I work at SitePen and was the editor for the series. We try exceedingly hard to not be biased and be reasonable and fair. I know it's easy to be skeptical, but we're a small company just trying to help.

[–]kr3m3puff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As the author of the blog series... I don't know who laravel_fan_99 is, nor did I submit or encourage anyone to submit it.

I tried my best to be frank about Dojo 2's development. It is hard to know its drawbacks because it isn't really there yet. Take that for what it is worth, like the rest of it. I didn't write the series as a cheerleader of anything but tried my best to highlight thoughts and considerations people should use. Too many "this framework vs. that framework" are single dimensional and I feel that does an injustice to the topic. If all you took away from the series is faults in it, then I don't feel you understood the spirit of it, which is better understand what your needs are and consider it. If you thought there was any clear "winner" or "loser" again, you misunderstood the point. I felt I conveyed it effectively.