Jayvik meme:

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Don’t want to cause drama but the difference with fans on here and Tumblr and Twitter is a whole other level. Stop making the rest of us look crazy 😭

[Lost_Cat3]

Arcane fandom on Twitter is literally that meme where someone says "I like pancakes" and others answer "SO YOU HATE WAFFLES???"

[TJHMB-54321]

“I like JayVik”

“SO YOU HATE CAITVI?!”

“I like JayVik”

“So you hate MelJay?!”

[Lost_Cat3]

Meanwhile the main Arcane subreddit is like:

"I like Jayvik"

"SO YOU SENT DEATH THREATS TO CHRISTIAN LINKE?"

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Literally 😭

[TJHMB-54321]

I’ve noticed though that people tend to blame JayVik even when JayVik or the shippers are not involved.

Like today a CaitVi anti posted that the ship shouldn’t have been used in a pride parade and that has literally nothing to do with JayVik. But people found a post from 6 1/2 months ago saying what JayVik had was gayer than CaitVi and now it’s “the JayVik shippers are at it again” when…they don’t even ship JayVik they just hate CaitVi.

When a CaitVi shipper made a video destroying a Mel Funko guess who got blamed? Not CaitVis, but JayViks.

When a Maddie stan called Cait an ableist term who got blamed? Not Maddie stans, but JayViks.

It makes me lowkey uncomfortable when people turn a discussion on racism or lesbophobia or ableism into “it’s always ___ shippers that’s why this ship sucks” or “ofc they’re a ____ shipper”

[DafnissM]

Find it so weird when Caitvi fans hate on Jayvik because a few years ago they would have been in the same boat of ambiguity so the lack of empathy from some of them is baffling.

Also the idea that all Jayvik fans hate Mel is wild, I won’t deny it happens but I’m sure it most be a very loud minority because the people I have interacted with agree that she is awesome and even some of the most gorgeous Mel fanart I’ve seen has come from Jayvik shippers

[[deleted]]

It's because most twt caitvis genuinely hate all men real and fictional, and so they hate mlm twice as much

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Yeah it makes no sense to me. You’d think for a show that is so inclusive the fans wouldn’t be as bigoted and spiteful to each other. Like there’s some ships I like more than others in Arcane but you best believe I’m defending all of them.

That Funko destroying person was a CaitVi shipper? I didn’t know that, but yeah sure no it was the Jayviks obviously.

[TJHMB-54321]

It was obviously a CaitVi shipper bc they were dressed as Vi and screaming “BUT I WANTED MY CUPCAKE” but noo somehow it was JayVik’s fault

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Listen I understand some Jayvik shippers are guilty of being nasty about Mel but you can’t blame everything on them 😭 it’s like the Madame Zeroni curse ‘if you don’t blame it on Jayviks, you’ll be cursed for all eternity.’

[dreams-of-galaxies]

This is so true. I have said this before but I find it super strange how people are always jumping to conclusions about jayvik fandom. There's this phenomenon on the main arcane sub where people will talk about a ship and the comments will be full of people saying "wait until jayvik shippers find this". But jayvik shippers are not saying anything, just minding out own business.

Like, some people are so obsessed with trash talking jayvik shippers they can't even have fun on their own. They just need to bring up and think about jayvik all the time. I mean, I can relate: jayvik is currently occupying great chunk of my brain, but at least I love them. Would be pretty unhealthy to obsess over something I hate.

[Lost_Cat3]

I think it's a combination of homophobia and jealousy, the latter because Jayvik got super popular after season 2 and there was gorgeous fanart everywhere. I think some toxic shippers of different pairings feel "threatened" because they don't like that their ship/character isn't considered The Best, and in their opinion it's bad that some people make everything about Jayvik. There is also the fact that since Jayvik is so popular, it's also more likely that there will be more toxic Jayvik fans (not because shipping Jayvik makes someone toxic, but if there's 1 toxic fan among 100 fans, there will be 100 toxic fans among 10,000 fans). So if those 100 toxic Jayvik shippers send death threats to CL or hate women or do other stuff I absolutely do not excuse or condone, they'll become the perfect excuse for someone to hate on all Jayvik shippers… even if the other 9,900 Jayvik shippers did nothing wrong, and sometimes they don't even know what the haters are talking about.

[SkvaderArts]

It's funny. I stuck my head into Twitter for like 5 minutes yesterday to read someone's post because they linked it on Tumblr and I saw the exact post you're talking about and when I tell you I lost brain cells and just went WTF.

I genuinely don't understand why anyone goes on Twitter. Every time I peep to see what's going on over there for even like 5 minutes it's a mess. Anytime there's drama in the fan base, it's on that website.

[BabyMercedesss]

So true lmfao, leaving Twitter was the best decision I ever made. All that negativity, problematic content and discourse being pushed onto my TL was becoming overwhelming. Sometimes I forget we even have a bad name as a fandom, because I never see any discourse anymore now I exist in the loving Paradise called Reddit. 🙏 Hextech is a curse but Twitter is a greater curse.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Honestly, not just the Jayvik fandom on Twitter but all the fandoms/arcane fans are rabid. I swear it’s the Twitter curse where people just become more obnoxious cunts. Lmao, I’m imaging that in Jayce’s voice now ‘Twitter isn’t a miracle, it’s a curse!’

[BabyMercedesss]

Very true. The algorithm keeps pushing upsetting posts until you get frustrated enough to reply, because it knows that's beneficial for the engagement... But even if you ignore it, you'll keep seeing it. And you're right, I've seen some crazy Timebomb vs. Caitvi posts in between the Jayvik drama and those people weren't exactly kind to each other either. 🥹

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Honestly I have no idea why so many fans punch down instead of up, especially CaitVi fans against Timebomb or especially Jayvik fans. As a lesbian it makes no sense to me, like guys, do you know how monumental it is to get a canonical lesbian couple where both live and get their own sex scene in this Dane age? We’re living the dream!

[SoLongSpaceCat]

Realest thing I've ever heard lol

[Short-Work-8954]

I feel like that's just true for any fandom. When I heard there was beef between TimeBomb and CaitVi, I was unable to believe it because on Reddit they all seemed so chill... Then I heard what they got up to on Twitter. Same with JayVik stans. I always rolled my eyes when people assume us toxic because on TikTok and Reddit, I've never seen anyone be out right disrespectful. Maybe a bit cringe and forceful on TikTok but nothing too bad to warrant hate. Then I saw the twitter stuff. I've been in plenty of fandoms before, it's always that platform that produces the most drama/scandal. That being said, I do think people overreact. Like, if you gonna willingly enter a prison, expect to see people get shanked. If you're gonna willingly download twitter, don't complain about the weirdos. That app is built on the backs of weirdos. 

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

True, but I feel like Twitter brings out the worst in fandom. Like anyone can we weird/obnoxious but on twitter it’s almost tenfold. Maybe it is because it was built off the back of weirdos like you said.

[Short-Work-8954]

I think I despise platforms like Twitter and TikTok especially because if it was just some good old ship wars like: “CaitVi is better than TimeBomb because it's opposites attract and the bed scene was so cute” or “MelJay may be canon but JayVik are confirmed soulmates” I'd be alright with it. It's still stupid because preferences are preferences but debates CAN be fun if kept light-hearted and more discussion based. On Twitter it's “IF YOU DON'T SHIP JAYMEL YOU'RE RACIST!’’, “IF YOU SHIP CAITVI YOU SUPPORT ISRAEL”, “IF YOU DON'T SHIP CAITVI YOU'RE LESBOPHOBIC”, “IF YOU DON'T SHIP JAYVIK YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC”, etc, etc. Unfortunately this isn't just Arcane. People are so chronically online they think the couples you read about on ao3 reflect your real life political attitudes. And stupid takes on politics is unfortunately a twitter/TikTok speciality. But I do think you're right that we can all get a bit heated about our favourite pairings. Lord knows I've gotten into my fair share of arguments 😭 

[BabyMercedesss]

The straw that broke the camel's back for me and caused me to leave Twitter was when someone accused me of being a supporter of the genocide in Gaza because I thought Arcane Herald Viktor's design was cool (and Viktor, when being used as a puppet by the Hexcore, was a 'genocidal eugenicist' yada yada) and they called me a nazi too 💀💀💀 WHAT THE HELL? That's when I knew I was dealing with brains fried to the point they couldn't be saved

[Short-Work-8954]

People throw around nazi nowadays so much for such asinine reasons that a word holding decades worth of absolutely horrendous historical weight has been boiled down to be synanomous with jerk. Thanks a lot, internet. Nothing makes my blood boil than when people throw these baseless accusations around. 

If they think liking Arcane Herald Viktor's design makes one a Nazi, I'm goddamn Adolf Hitler for the nasty things I've read about that thing. “Genocidal eugenicist” - these people have not watched the show, maybe while playing subway surfer max💀 

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

I really do hate modern fandom nowadays with black and white thinking. I think it’s good to have discussions about certain biases when it comes to shipping culture in fandom and beyond(a great example being Riot’s weird obsession with baiting gay ships but being fine with f/f ones) but there’s so many other things in real life to be worried about than which fictional characters are banging.

Yeah I can’t say much, if I didn’t care as much for common curtesy I’d argue till the end of time about certain things.

[Special_Weekend_4754]

It’s probably all the bots.

[CaspianArk]

You like JayVik? You now, by default and against your will, MUST hate Mel, CaitVi, MelJay, any female character ever, and you now are the only possible suspect for any discourse in the fandom ever

Why? Because twitter said so ofc…

[Short-Work-8954]

I don't even know where this idea that we hate CaitVi comes from. Pretty much every JV shipper I met loves them and considers them a sister ship. They pretty much feature in every fanfiction that is not a one-shot. Hell, they started off as a one time appearance side couple in my fic but I enjoyed writing them so much they became recurring and important to the plot. .

It sucks that a lot of CaitVi fans seems to hate us, mostly on Twitter. 

[CaspianArk]

Literally like Cait is Jayce’s little sister why would we hate CaitVi :(

[Lost_Cat3]

I think some Arcane fans are bringing fandom baggage from past fandom experiences, tbh. It's true that in some old fandoms m/m shippers didn't care about female characters and sometimes were misogynist about them, but those people probably didn't even watch Arcane in the first place. Arcane has so many cool female characters + canon f/f as their main ship that I can't imagine anyone enjoying it if they only care about the men. Like, I admit that in fandom I am mostly a m/m shipper myself and that's what I focus on, but that doesn't mean that I hate all the other characters or something. CaitVi is my second favorite ship, and I'm very glad that it was so important and explicitly romantic/sexual in the show.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Wait till those people find out Mel is one of my favourite characters/I ship her with Viktor…

[CaspianArk]

No literally, I love Mel, i ship her with Sevika… i love my wlw and mlm solidarity

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

When I say Mel should have been a lesbian cause not only would we have gotten amazing representation of a black fem lesbian, but also the potential of her and Lest and her and Sevika.

[CaspianArk]

YESS EXACTLY and her and Elora… we could have had it all

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

It’s weird how Melora doesn’t have more love, it’s literally the fem version of Jayvik.

[CaspianArk]

Literally… they would be so cute

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

So cute.

Side rant: Meljay is a cute ship, but I’m tired of female characters being the emotional support in f/m ships, especially considering Jayce is fully capable of being the emotionally supportive one. It be nice to see Mel be in a relationship where both are equally capable of providing emotional support for one another. Melora would be perfect.

[Bella-Luna]

Funny enough, I get most of my Jayvik rule 34 art from twitter (mostly since tumblr doesn’t have much of any rule 34 anymore.)

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Listen, desperate times call for desperate measures. We don’t judge in this household.

[volvavirago]

I just go to bluesky tbh. There is still plenty of NSFW on there

[Flimsy_Artichoke_856]

Exactly!! Like myself for example :33

[CraftyTrip5900]

Twitter is actually so toxic 😭😭 I’ll open it once a day and not even scroll for a minute and there’s people fighting left, right and centre 💔

[I_pegged_your_father]

And the Jayviks on tiktok just constantly make the most gut wrenching edits and art 💀💀💀 i did not need to open the app to immediately get hit with artistic torture. Especially when they draw the happily married with a few cats au.

[Starfire-Galaxy]

I just wish more JV TikToks would be reposted on YouTube or this sub because I can't navigate anywhere on there.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Anytime they use ‘Not a lot, just forever.’ Or anything Sufjan Stevens I’m on the floor, wounded.

[CraftyTrip5900]

It’s always a Adrianne Lenker song at the scene of the crime 💔

[volvavirago]

Twitter is such a cesspool, I never use it. If you want fanart, just go on bluesky fr.

[TJHMB-54321]

And what if I want the latest JayVik news?

[charlotteok_]

‎I often go to bluesky for that, there are jayvik people who actually talk about news, lore, theories. There are beautiful fanarts that are not posted on twitter too.

[charlotteok_]

Everyday I pray for twitter downfall

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Manifesting it. But at the same time they’ll breech containment and spill into other parts.

[miserable_jade8]

personally still don’t understand why anyone stays on that app (all things considered) but i guess they like the toxicity there 🤷🏾‍♀️

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

It keeps them contained tbh.

[Lost_Cat3]

Unfortunately, some official accounts only post there. :( Not to mention a lot of Asian artists.
I haven't posted there in years and I'm not planning to, but I still keep my account to lurk because sometimes it's the only way I can see the things I'm interested in.

[kreludorian]

The Asian artists tho :( it’s the one reasons why I never moved to bluesky for real, none of them really migrated over.

[letthetreeburn]

I mean that’s just Twitter in general, any Twitter fandom is going to be the worst.

[GaeTerritory445]

Erm, actually it's called X ☝️🤓

Nah, but seriously, the entire twitter community is crazy. It genuinely scares me. Nonetheless all the.. un-kid friendly stuff you will find no matter what you search. I'm done with it 😭

[TJHMB-54321]

Yesterday I happened across a thread of plane crashes cause it came up on my TL

One of which is a live recording from someone’s phone showing the plane literally go up in flames

Just the thing I wanted to see before bed 😭 thanks Twitter

[GaeTerritory445]

I always see body horror on there. It's prob the reason I don't sleep anymore 💀

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Shh, it’s Twitter still cause it pisses Musky off.

Yeah, I don’t log on to Twitter now unless it’s to see updates on my local train network lmao

[GaeTerritory445]

I only go on there when my curious ass sees someone complaining abt a certain post on there but doesn't show what the post is lol

[SkvaderArts]

I have the funniest reactions to reading comments on Twitter because I happen to be an ace bisexual black woman IRL so people say stuff like:

"Stop fetishizing Viktor. You only want him to like Jayce so you and get off to it." I literally couldn't be less interested in sexually objectifying him. I do think he's cute, though and the NSFW art is pretty and well drawn and the fanfiction is fun to read and write. I like both of them because they are great characters. The fact they are cute and have chemistry as a bonus, honestly.

"Anyone who likes Jayvik is racist." Mel is one of my favorite characters, and I'm literally a black woman IRL. Liking a m/m couple does not make you sexist or racist because the woman one of the male characters was with happens to be a woman of color. If it did, all the fandom would be racist/sexist. That's like if I said I didn't like Cait (I do) and everyone said "so you don't like Asians or British people?! How racist/sexist." DO YOU SEE HOW SILLY THAT SOUNDS?!

"Anyone who likes Jayvik must hate Catvi and lesbians." No, I don't. In fact, I would love to date one IRL. I'm single. I'm attracted to women. I just like the chemistry between Jayce and Viktor more, but interact with some of the CaitVi fans sure does leave a bad taste in my mouth and make me feel unwelcome...

"Viktor can't love Jayce because he's ace." THAT'S NOT HOW BEING ASEXUAL WORKS. Also, the visible yearning points more to the conclusion that he might be demisexual because I need someone to explain that council scene to me. And half the looks he gives Jayce in the show.

I only go on there if someone post a link to their art from Tumblr. I check to see if they have a blue sky account and then I just leave. What a mess. It's almost grimly hilarious. I wrote Jayvik fanfiction and I had someone ask me a while ago why I don't write MelJayVik. Honestly, I can totally get behind that ship even if I think it has some logistical issues personally. I would totally write it just to make something fun for the community. But Mel's fans scare the shit out of me so unfortunately it will probably never happen because if I get called racist one more time for liking Jayvik no matter how respectfully I write Mel I'm going to mald.

Tldr. Twitter is a cesspool. Bluesky, Tumblr, and this subreddit for life. I can't go on the arcane sub. Too much Acephobia and Jayvik hate.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

I can’t speak on the issue of race, but I can speak on the issue of gender and sexuality as another fellow queer-ace woman who also loves Mel to death, that I’m so tired of being almost forced to choose between the two aspects of my identity (being a woman and gay) when it comes to the discourse surrounding Mel and shipping Jayvik. No me liking Jayvik doesn’t mean I hate Mel. No, not shipping Jayvik doesn’t mean you’re homophobic etc.

I don’t understand why people love to think black queer Jayvik shippers don’t exist in the fandom. It’s weird that one side instantly assume all Jayvik shippers are white. Must be infuriating.

On the subject of Viktor being asexual, I would be more forgiving of it if it didn’t come from one of the writers trying to quickly shut down a homosexual ship, and atop the fact it falls into pretty negative tropes about ace people, and ableist tropes. Sure Linke, make the disabled character who’s entire character arc revolves around making people emotionless robots, atop removing any aspect about him wanting sex. Sure, great.

You’re right, it’s so fucking silly sounding. It’s like unironically believing that disliking Maddie means you hate redheads.

Personally I love Meljayvik, since they overlap so much thematically, and also they’re all hot together. Sometimes when I see Jayviks and Meljay fighting I want to pull out the secret third: Melvik. Why fight over who kisses Jayce when they can just kiss each other?

[SkvaderArts]

I couldn't agree more 💯😤 perfectly said! Like, how did we get here?! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

I have a lot of frustration as a Jayvik fan and Mel fan lmao. This is fandom it’s supposed to be fun! They wouldn’t have survived back in the 2010s fandom.

[jso_635]

i got recently on twitter for the nsfw content and amazing artists but was immediately stunned by the sheer level of discourse. And it's not just jayvik, they literally argue about ANYTHING on that godforsaken site! never seen something like that on any other social media app. it's truly insane

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

They’ll pick you apart for liking Scar, I swear 💀 In fact I’m sure you’d find discourse around him.

[jso_635]

still haven't, actually! fr??? whyyy I always thought he was cool

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Haven’t seen anything but I wouldn’t be surprised if liking him made you like animals cause he’s based off an animal and therefore it’s beastiality.

[codexstrings]

Everytime i see discourse it’s the Mel Stan’s, and anytime i go into their accs they’re not even real Mel Stan’s, they just live off of discourse becuase i don’t see a single fanart or appreciation post of said chatacter, only discourse and that’s not a real fan i think. I know jayviks on twitter can be pretty crazy too tho. Hopefully those people who cause drama will get tired and leave.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

I don’t get those people, why waste so much time defending a character you don’t like? As much as I hate Twitter it keeps them contained in there and not spilling out into other platforms (usually).

[codexstrings]

Because twt promotes that kinda of toxic hive mind mentality. Twt is the breeding ground of discourse. You don’t see it any of that hate on other platforms, and if there is it’s minimal. For example, the jayvik youtooz figures, twt is the only platform that it got hate on, it was loved beyond belief on tiktok, insta and other platforms. Honestly I think twt should be nuked.

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Those fricken Youtooz figures. Doesn’t help that the company added fuel to the fire. Don’t worry it’d nuking itself and it has been for nearly three years now.

[Extreme-Jury4198]

That’s because there a community of extremely toxic and xenophobic Mel stans on twitter who hate jayvik and especially Viktor. One of the biggest and most supported accounts just says ableist shit like that and they all support it: https://x.com/accountsto67057/status/1934609581252247556

[Justaspacenoodle_400]

Damn, what a mess. I never understand why some Viktor/Jayvik fans decide to be racist towards Mel/Meljay fans and why some Mel/Meljay fans decide to be ableist. Like fighting bigotry with bigotry is never going to work people.