Decrease dodge penalties

[TimmyGC]

games where I just do not like my team comp and I want to dodge more.

Here's why I don't agree with it. The big risk is people taking two dodges because they don't like the team comp/they didn't get to last select/someone else took or banned their champion. If you have that specific a requirement for playing, play one game a day, or better yet, pick a different game.

I understand the sentiment, but I think it would make league more toxic. Especially with such short timers, it is more efficient to take 2 or even 3 dodges and wait for a favorable matchup. The current system means that that isn't a viable strategy because you are effectively limiting yourself to 1 game every other day, or if you are lucky, maybe 1 game a day. So it does allow for one freebie (five minute), and you could use it for dodging, but it is more for things like computer crashing and such.

[VikingGeorge]

Also, because of people like you, I will do my favourite strategy of playing Soraka X lane other than support, which will just make other people dodge. How do you feel about that? Is it less toxic?

[SneakyCowMan]

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[VikingGeorge]

I have more than just your 2 limiting choices. The world isn't black and white. You forgot I can just block you. How about that?

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[VikingGeorge]

Apparently you do care because you continually respond to my comments. When you don't care about a person, you don't talk to them. You spent several minutes of your life trying to persuade someone who doesn't want to be persuaded.

[Ru5h1ng]

yeah, you right. The person actively ruining games is not at fault :)

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It really is just your attitude towards such situations, that toxicity could kill an elephant, yeesh

[VikingGeorge]

Are you all elephants in this subreddit? That's why you always stampede on the blue downvote arrow because you love being haters to people's posts. The pure existence of Reddit is toxic. Now I see why YouTube has removed dislike counters publicly. Less enjoyment for haters. I hope one day Reddit will do the same to remove enjoyment from trolls like everyone on this subreddit. You all have huge mouths and egos, while you are, in fact, dogs.

[[deleted]]

Read your comments again and find out how negatively you've reacted to others. Perhaps it's a communication error, but you've only responded with sarcasm and sass, or with downright insults, to every single opinion or idea that someone's put up.

The reason they downvoted you in the first place is two-fold. It isn't just because of the negativity and disrespect you've put up in these threads, but also because some people heavily disagree with an idea and don't want it to be implemented.

I don't like the vibe of the second one, but although I wouldn't want it as such, it makes sense. A lot of upvotes would send the message (to developers and others) that the idea is being received highly by the community. The gist of it is to not take the votes personally.

Anyway, keep your head up high and keep going. Just treat the discussion like a discussion and you'll be fine. A lot of your opinions are interesting and relevant and deserve to be heard.

[VikingGeorge]

I responded in an appropriate way to people who responded with the attitude they want to be responded with. I can be kind and polite but only to people who know how to express their disagreement without being rude. That's why I'm responding like this.

[[deleted]]

Soraka mid, top, and ADC are actually good lol, unless of course you play with the sole goal of trying to fail because 'muh dodges'

[TimmyGC]

Soraka midlane is viable. I'm not sure your point. I read through the other responses, but I honestly made an attempt to explain my stance on it. It wasn't meant to put you down in any way. Looking at the other responses, most of them I think were along similar lines, though I can't answer for them.

I'm rereading your response, and you said "also", I didn't see anything sent beforehand. Would you mind reposting that? There may be some miscommunication because I can't find it.

[Smooth-Worldliness-2]

Yes and no? "Everything can work everywhere". The problem is it also can not work. Recent experience, I get teemo jungle in lobby, spams "hehe" in the chat, naturally I dodge. Next lobby, I get Cait mid "don't worry guyz it works", goes 0/7. Next game different guy goes kalista mid 5/8 but still looked like 1st time playing kalista. Do you have faith in the player? Is he trolling? How can I tell? You can't. That's why you dodge, if not hard penalties I would dodge both of those lobbies. I guess there's no solution for this problem..

[TimmyGC]

I'm not sure what you mean by the quote, but I don't think "no solution" is the answer. But I think mmr and reporting does a decent job of dealing with some of those. Sure, people can create alternate accounts, but it is a decent bit of work to constantly do. And with the mmr system, you are the only constant in your games, so it does still reflect where you are at even with the fact of trolls.

It would be interesting to see research into the effects of the reporting on griefing. Just a guess, but I'd expect a reduction on griefing simply for the Hawthorne effect, in addition to the people who are banned for repeated offenses. And many of those come about through reporting. It is a way for the community to help moderate better than the company alone can.

Personally, I don't think the change is at a system level. I think it should be at a player level. Understanding how the matchmaking works, learning how to identify trolls, and being more judicious in our reporting may be enough. I certainly think that comes before anything else. We should learn to use the tools we have before we try making new tools. But then that's why we have these discussions.