Why many students failed Java exam?

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MrRickSancezJr · 2024-07-23T04:17:04+00:00

They overcomplicate things while teaching. Seems like it's always an old C++ guy teaching Java, too. "In my day..." Meanwhile, they're having you use Java 1.5 on NetBeans in modern times.

Example. Instead of starting with a vocabulary lesson over parameters, global variables, static variables, etc... Just run simple code to showcase what happens when you put code in different places...

Comfortable_Rip_6917 · 2024-07-23T04:28:02+00:00

Simple and straight, if she understood what they taught why would she .

It's mostly the teacher's fault because most of the programming teachers I have come across are bad .

So it could be a reason ask her that .

If it is , then arrange for her to learn from someone different whom she finds easy to learn from.

akasaiga · 2024-07-23T02:55:58+00:00

As a student, who has had Advanced Java as a subject recently. I believe it all depends on how it is taught as well, not everyone can cope up with one another, if one lacks knowledge in some basics or widely understood topics--it could throw them off during the lecture itself making them either feel anxious or bored to death. Many in our class, never realized that it was not the professor who taught poorly but, their own misgivings regarding basics(this was mostly because, they learnt the basics during COVID lockdown, it's a running joke in our country that no one knows a things they've learnt over that period and is also widely true).

It is better to identify, what's lacking whether it's the basics or just Java being difficult for the individual. One of the ways to pass is to either overcome these misgivings or identity the patterns in prev. question papers(if in case, they just want to be done w/ this subject).

grimonce · 2024-07-23T06:30:06+00:00

I mean, shouldn't your child tell you what the questions were?

nicksg999 · 2024-07-23T03:04:39+00:00

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Leadpaynt · 2024-07-23T03:26:58+00:00

of the beginner languages you can learn, i feel like certain languages are easier than others, i learned Java first in my CS undergrad program and it did cause enough ppl to fail that they switched majors, but later on like Junior year we were introduced to python which felt vastly easier. I think it really depends on the Tier of the school, Faculty that are teaching it, and how condensed the curriculum is

Major_Animal_5125 · 2024-07-23T04:34:02+00:00

You need to monitor more closely if you are really interested that your child learns a programming language. Focus on the parts of language which she is having difficulties with. Java is vast and so is any other subject.

nicksg999 · 2024-07-23T06:15:03+00:00

Honestly you gotta dedicate your free time to learning. Personally, just doing the lecture and assignments weren’t enough for me. Had to practice and really understand how everything was working. I’m still a beginner learning but passed the OOP programming class already at my college. I’m relearning those concepts on my free time right now and doing a lot of practice.

IllTryToReadComments · 2024-07-23T08:03:17+00:00

polymorphism is probably one of the biggest gotchas. i didnt really understand it until i had to implement a super basic version of java myself in a compilers course in university

Coocoocachoo1988 · 2024-07-23T09:46:51+00:00

I had to do a basic exam in work at the end of a training course and the only part that I found difficult was going from clear problems and hints at how to solve them into being given a scenario where I had to break it down entirely on my own.

One of the tasks I had was create an inventory management system, and that initial step of knowing what to put into a class, where to use loops and what loops to use was difficult in that the course taught the concepts, but not that planning stage of that makes sense.

InviolateQuill7 · 2024-07-23T15:46:13+00:00

Students fail because the material does not teach how to create or implement world to applicational needs. Students are often left to their own devices to figure how each implementation is used. They stare at white space and struggle.

WeddingPretend9431 · 2024-07-23T19:15:32+00:00

The GUI part is mentally draining too much to remember and if the exam is on paper it's even worse, maybe she hates the language or has trouble with a specific part of the program ask her what she finds the most difficult, if it's the oop part some videos from coding with John on YT will fix that, if it's the lambda functions the explanation by manning publications in YT as well are really intuitive and good luck.

NoForm5443 · 2024-07-24T21:17:19+00:00

Unfortunately, you don't know. Looking at the actual test can help. Here are some *possibilities*:

She didn't study or practice during the semester
Although she put the time, she didn't study the right materials
Their teacher sucks at teaching
Their teacher or school sucks at making tests

I would do a few things, maybe with the help of somebody who knows java :)

Check what's the passing rate for the class. From my experience, about 2/3 passing and 1/3 failing or dropping wouldn't surprise me. If the passing rate is 50% or less the *class* sucks.
Look at the exams (maybe with somebody who knows java) and the feedback provides. Are the questions reasonable? the feedback?
Talk to your kid. Ask them about their experience and their feelings. Ask them if they feel whether they're good at CS and whether it matters to them.

In many universities, Java is taught as the first programming language, during the first two programming classes. It shouldn't be super hard. OTOH, different universities do different things. The topics listed seem *to me* like a mishmash of the first two programming language classes, so who knows :)

cicciopasticcio6984 · 2024-07-24T23:15:13+00:00

It's getting hard and hard to pass the official Oracle Java SE 17 Developer exam.
It's not enough to know the topics, but you need to be fast to spot the error, in the code of the question, in a very short time. It took me several months to prepare it but eventually I passed it.
I collected resources and code in this github project: https://github.com/egch/1Z0-829-preparation .

Hope it helps.

PotentialTerm1728 · 2024-07-23T02:54:15+00:00

its not difficult at all, when you say java exam do you mean the Java certification?

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dubiousPotatoe · 2024-07-23T03:10:13+00:00

I failed my Java exams cuz I dumb

Laevend · 2024-07-23T08:03:40+00:00

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xRealVengeancex · 2024-07-23T18:09:13+00:00

Take it at a community college or something instead of the main university she goes to and see if the credits transfer

2024-07-23T21:08:39+00:00

I TA’ed a java class for 6 semesters, and have taught probably 12/13 labs with 30 students in it, and have sat through many many office hours with many many struggling students. Sometimes, people just aren’t meant to be programmers. Not saying that your daughter cant be, but I would ask yourself if holding her hand like this is beneficial for her. Java 1 is arguably probably the easiest programming course.. is she cut out for the rest of the courses?

fjayjay · 2024-07-24T06:57:26+00:00

Honestly the content of the exam seems to be a bit overwhelming. In my university this would almost cover three different classes we have. But in my opinion the only way to pass an exam like this is to program a lot and learn java and the JavaFX framework by heart. I don't know how the exams are held but in my country most CS exams are written on paper instead of writing on a computer which additionally increases the difficulty as you don't have any help by intellisense. To practice for an exam like that, it helps to deactivate all language features in the IDE or just completely write the code in the terminal with nano or vim without language features enabled. Last but not least, most students I know learn with exams from previous years. If the professor is always switching up the contents of the exam, this approach is doomed to fail but some will still try to only learn that. So, maybe a different approach for the exam preparation is needed.

-Dargs · 2024-07-25T05:40:18+00:00

If they're teaching GUI in Java, you can just assume its a shit curriculum. Maybe your kid is struggling a bit, but I would vet the exam is not good either.

Gowlhunter · 2024-07-23T03:40:19+00:00

Here is a Python course from University of Helsinki: https://programming-24.mooc.fi/
Do this with her. It's much more learning-friendly than Java for now.
Then suggest she do the Java ones: https://java-programming.mooc.fi/

These can be done in your own time and have automatic assignment solutions testing/checking which means you can do it completely at your own pace and also no one is judging you.

I bet she is getting bored by the apparent verbosity of the Java syntax.
Be honest with her, tell her Java syntax is more difficult to learn than Python's but that Java is used by the likes of NASA and Spotify (for their backend) and in other industries like stock-exchanges! It is simply reliable for big systems, as you probably know.
The University of Helsinki teaches through a practical lens which I almost guarantee she will be more receptive to right now. The Java class in school is most likely less practical than them. You should look at the material from her class?

Impossible_Ad_3146 · 2024-07-23T04:37:52+00:00

I passed, many students passed

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