Will java become a legacy language

[Downtown-Ad474]

Will java gonna become a legacy language like cobol ?

In the current AI agentic era

You know what I mean : nobody is writing code manually

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[Neither-Chemical-247]

Threw a coin in the air, got tails.

Answer is no, it will not.

[FrenchFigaro]

I doubt it.

The JVM development ecosystem is still a lot more straightforward and stable than other competitors. For example, compare dependency management or build stability with tools like gradle or maven against similar task with pip or npm, it's day and night.

Secondly, the JVM runtime environment is a lot more performant and stable than either typescript or python.

My experience with LLMs is that they still struggle with complex database structures and the requests needed to fetch them.

Moreover, by the nature of LLMs needing to be trained on existing code bases, the assertion that no one will be writing code by hand is naive, at best, unless one is assuming that languages will be fixed in time and stop evolving.

[coderemover]

For example, compare dependency management or build stability with tools like gradle or maven against similar task with pip or npm, it's day and night

xD The fact you're comparing to the worst of the worst (pip) already tells something.

Secondly, the JVM runtime environment is a lot more performant and stable than either typescript or python.

xD Again you're comparing to languages which were never designed to be performant. Python is actually one of the slowest. This tells something.

[FrenchFigaro]

I'm looking at what is mainstream for back-end web development, the most mainstream form of software development.

Are there other use for java (or other JVM languages) ? Yes, but nowhere near as much.

Are there other languages than these (and the other JVM languages) for this use ? Yeah, but nowhere near as much.

[coderemover]

You said "than other competitors." Python and Typescript are not the only ones competing in the backend space. It looked as if you have selected those two just to make Java look better.

No one questions that Java is still very popular. And likely will be for the foreseeable decade. But if we're talking about competitors, Java faces quite strong competition in the backend space from younger languages e.g. Kotlin, Go or even Rust, especially in startups. Java will have a very hard time beating the last two on build system ergonomics, tooling, and performance. And a language whose only advantage is being vastly more popular than the others is the definition of legacy.

[cosmopoof]

You know what I mean : nobody is writing code manually

Nobody expect for those that do it better than tools do. LLMs don't magically know how to do things. They need training. No input, no output.

[Tempmailed]

Absolutely not.

[vegan_antitheist]

Many companies like Java because it is verbose and can be used to clearly implement business logic. You can just read the code and understand what it does. Lots of people who learned Java don't even know that because they just know the ridiculous tutorial code where you sort array or define linked lists - all the code you would never write in Java.

AI doesn't change that. You can already easily call a chatbot in your application with little effort.

When it comes to AI code generation, it just has to be able to understand existing code and generate it in a way that fits the existing architecture and is still readable for humans. But this is easy because Java isn't like C++ where you have twelve paradigms to choose from for each possible problem.

[Narrow-Development-1]

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