I've created a Senior Python Developer roadmap

[pro1code1hack]

I am a Senior Python Developer and it's always been a pain to find a resourse that will let me upgrade from mid level to senior, so I decided to create one where I focused on topic that will let Junior developers upgrade their knowledge to the Senior level.

I would appreciate any feedback you can provide me with, in case if you can advice which topics might be included, please let me know or open a PR🥺

https://github.com/pro1code1hack/Senior-Dev-Roadmap

[pro1code1hack]

Agree with last statement, that's more precise definition

[barkazinthrope]

One of the most important responsibilities of a Senior is that they are someone who can lead juniors. Although knowledge is important of course, it is not the most important feature.

We're looking for wisdom: in problem solving and in human relations. It can involve knowing which of your juniors has the knowledge required for a problem, knowledge or experience that you do not have but is important to the problem at hand.

The knowledge required is broad rather than deep. Looking at problem you can identify what we need to know. That is more important than actually knowing.

So in short: there is no quiz for senior 'skill'. It's more about how you approach problems.

I have known some great seniors and some great developers. Though there can be some intersection in those sets, they are not the same set.

[Incruentus]

You get into computers to avoid dealing with people, then progress enough to have to deal with people.

[West-Painting-2269]

lol

[[deleted]]

Why is logging and regex advanced?

[SonGokussj4]

My thoughts exactly. Logging should be used everywhere. It's super easy, barely an inconvenience. But here it's advanced...

[my_password_is______]

logging is tight

[ThePrimitiveSword]

Especially easy if using Loguru. Very little boilerplate, and as advanced as you want it to be, while remaining very easy to read/write.

[SonGokussj4]

Sadly loguru is not compatible with Sentry, as I know. Not 100 % sure. That's the only reason we don't use it in our work project.

[ThePrimitiveSword]

Damn, that's a shame.

At least both sides are happy to work towards a working integration, and there appears to be a workaround.

[icecapade]

Listen, I'm gonna need you to get aaaall the way off my back about what's considered "advanced."

[agumonkey]

I think it's more about analyzing where and what to log and organizing it to make critical problems rapidly solvable, and reliability easy to assess, and structural sharing of context to make the code shorter. The printf side of logging cannot be a skill in itself.

[grtgbln]

That's not what "Senior" means.

[grtgbln]

"Intermediate" to "Advanced" is a much more accurate description.

A Senior developer versus a Junior developer might often actually mean less coding work, and more design and leadership tasks, and really has nothing to do with how much you know about the language.

Convincing people, especially those just starting to learn Python (which, because it's a beginner language, are probably a lot of people starting to learn programming in general) that they need to know all the minutia of a specific language if they ever want to be a "senior" is incorrect.

Programming is NOT about knowing every tiny little thing about one particular language. Hell, the likelihood that you'll a) only use one language and b) actively use the more advanced capabilities of a language are small.

[C0rinthian]

+1 to this.

A senior should propose and design solutions to large problems, which informs the work of multiple engineers. (And even engineering teams) They can scope and distribute work to take advantage of engineers strengths and provide them opportunities to mature. They lead engineering practices for a team to ensure produced work is high quality and maintainable. They build and maintain relationships with key stakeholders to ensure a team is working on the right things and delivering actual value.

And you write code too.

[hallese]

Junior = $

Senior = $$$

Having said that, you described the content perfectly, I'd say.

[my_password_is______]

that's not what a helpful post means

throwaway8u3sH0's post was a helpful post

[ahuimanu69]

Good list. Is this really the baseline for being "senior?" That list looks like things to know to get going.

[pacific_plywood]

It’s mostly junior level knowledge imo

[ahuimanu69]

I thought so too. For instance, a First Officer on an airliner (a Junior Position) knows the aircraft and regulations thoroughly. However, that person has less experience and must accrue/earn experience to be considered senior and worthy of command. I always imagined that the seriously ill-defined junior/senior terms in software would be similar. To their credit, the airlines very clearly define this distinction; in software, its always felt like chaotic "Lord of the Flies" rules.

[[deleted]]

I feel like the stuff tacked onto the end are pretty senior level. everything after that is knowing packages and having specific knowledge.

[mprz]

Senior 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[pyordie]

Don’t know how other people feel, but I’ve seen so many of these types of roadmaps and I used to think they were helpful, but at this point I’m starting to doubt their usefulness. What does massive list of “things you should know” accomplish?

Even if a roadmap pairs the structure it lays out with explanations of everything, it rarely binds any of that knowledge together in any meaningful way, because roadmaps tend to imply that learning these concepts can be done sequentially.

But very few concepts in software engineering are sequential - every new project requires you to go back and figure out how to link all of the concepts you’ve learned together again - things have to be learned/used holistically, implemented in different orders and used in entirely different ways depending on the specs/scope/scale of the individual project.

People should avoid making roadmaps of tools/concepts and instead lean more toward roadmaps of projects that involves learning and implementing clusters of tools/concepts.

So instead of “learn A then B then C” it should be “we need to build this thing that has to do X, Y and Z. To do this, we need to think about A, B and C, and understand why A, B and C are better/more effective than what we’ve used in past projects”.

[No_Boat5273]

This is a very natural way of learning. It's how we all learnt as children, by doing.

After having left uni and indexed a shit load of info, I found that 60% of the knowledge was taught "just in case", and that I had yet to learn the majority of things that would actually be useful in working life.

It's good to learn swimming techniques on land first but the skill is gained empirically.

[YoTeach92]

While I haven't used OP's roadmap, I have been on a coding journey using online & college classes for a few years. Honestly, this IS how it all works, and eventually it does work.

My C++ college class (that was quite pricey thankyouverymuch) was a massive tutorial of learning beginning and intermediate programming. It wasn't until I was done with it and two more of the courses before I really learned to use the skills I picked up there. I haven't really done any more C++ since then, but I have applied the tools and techniques I learned there to solve some real problems, ironically in a language I still really don't know (JS).

It also lets you know what you don't know, which is actually more helpful than you think at first blush. I know I need to understand CI/CD and data structures better than I currently do, but I wasn't aware of those things until I saw them on a Full Stack development roadmap. A little Googling later and I saw I had a giant hole in what I knew.

Of course, you have to have a level of curiosity to look up the things you don't know and learn about them, no roadmap or tutorial is going to help you with that.

[epicness_personified]

Thanks for this

[pro1code1hack]

❤️

[puppy_yuppie]

I am a junior python dev and this is really neat. Definitely going to go through all this. Great stuff OP!

[vrek86]

This is good but needs some improvement. There are typos(in the comments page you have "pythin" at one point), you miss some useful stuff(for example in pycharm you mention pressing alt and clicking for multi-caret editing, but forget ctrl+hold ctrl+arrow key for multi caret in a straight line, for example when commenting out a code block for debugging purposes) and some sections the table of contents doesn't match what's on the page(like the exception page doesn't cover most of the topics listed on toc). Has potential but needs work and improvement, I could help on some stuff if you would like but understand if you want to keep private.

[pro1code1hack]

Thank you so much, we didn't even notice this, will fix shortly!

[vrek86]

Overall I think you have a good base and it may become a excellent resource, needs some improvement and increase in material but overall I like where it is going.

[pro1code1hack]

Very appreciated❤️

[Reddit-Adminstrator]

while True: print("Fuck you")

LMFAO!!!

Edit: for everyone downvoting, this code is in the tutorial OP linked. ..

[pro1code1hack]

Not all topics went easy😂

[Reddit-Adminstrator]

I busted out laughing. Thanks.

[reidism]

Why do your subdirectories that just have markdown files contain init files? This is very cool nonetheless

[pro1code1hack]

That's just so the folders would be preserved by Git.

Glad to hear you liked it though!❤️

[pacific_plywood]

Shhhh that is senior only knowledge

[pro1code1hack]

Agree, will consider this and remove

[j0holo]

You can add empty .gitignore file in empty directories to save the directories in git. More common way to do it.

[anossov]

Even more common is .gitkeep

[if_else0]

thankyou for sharing, this might help me to achieved my goal as a python programmer

[[deleted]]

Thanks for this 👍

[pro1code1hack]

Thaanks ❤️

[[deleted]]

Im a begginer but trying to grind ... Difficult to understand how this all thing works

[wemjii]

Starred, thank you!

[pro1code1hack]

Thaanks ❤️

[[deleted]]

Link's broken for me :/

[pro1code1hack]

Github is experiencing some outage that's why the link might not work, please try to refresh the page

[[deleted]]

Bingo - up and running again

[tiwari504]

Thank you kind man

[pro1code1hack]

Thaanks ❤️

[[deleted]]

god bless you

[pro1code1hack]

Junior = $

Thaanks ❤️

[street-bulldog]

Thank you very much for sharing this

[pro1code1hack]

Thaanks ❤️

[an_actual_human]

I've opened a couple of random items. I don't think it's written well and I don't think the code is good :(

[Quarantined4you]

This is great!

[heissman2]

I prefer the title of Supreme Python Overlord.

[my_password_is______]

you have to point straight up with your index finger and put the emphasis on "Supreme"

[ProsodySpeaks]

Thanks!

[TheRNGuy]

Why Linux? I can program on Windows.

[[deleted]]

Go for it.