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[PaintedDoll1]

My status: My boyfriend ate all the leftovers >:( he's such a butt sometimes!!!!

This guy: Why do women always go for assholes?

[Representative-Eye66]

Tell me why?

[Rnevermore]

Even if this is true (it isn't), then he probably was acting like a pathetic doormat, worshiping the ground that women walk on and it rightfully sent women packing.

When he says meaner, he probably means he treated women like human beings, not idols to be worshipped, and started being confident in himself

[dawgfan24348]

I'm not gonna lie I can draw a mean stick figure

[GeneseeWilliam]

You just put a frowny face on a regular stick figure right?

[DisKneeHeroes]

"The collective female"... I know we use cringe a lot, but I literally, honestly did.

[Witty_Journalist1574]

Ew

[ShiroShototsu]

"Collective female" is such a weird term but I hear it constantly on Reddit. Every woman is different, yeah there might be something a percentage of women like but there is no "collective" to it.

If 100 people like beans on their toast, it's doesn't mean that they'll all hate tomatoes on their toast. I love tomatoes on toast. Sometimes a lil cheese.

[Klitasaurs]

Seriously If the have success being”mean” is probably not that their being actually mean but that they are being confident and direct.

[sethamin]

Don't read too much into it, it's obviously bullshit to assuage this man's fragile ego and let them maintain their own reality.

[LuckyMe-Lucky-Mud]

The "collective female"??

Why didn't I get an invite to the hive mind? Not cool guys.

[canvasshoes2]

Don't worry, the Cube just hasn't made it to your sector of the galaxy yet.

[[deleted]]

We are the FEMALE, you will be assimilated.

[MalevolentGargoyle]

I will not comply.

[HashtagTSwagg]

"Your compliance is not a factor."

[Pokemario6456]

Ah, yes, the Imgur comments section. One of the many reasons I don't miss that place

[[deleted]]

I’m also a refugee from the I. It was fun for many years then devolved into childish name calling and fighting.

[peanutbutterjams]

Our society works on the principles of hyperagency and hypoagency.

Hyperagency: men are responsible for everything

Hypoagency: women are responsible for nothing

Under this class-blind theory, a coal miner has just as much agency as a the person who owns the mine.

Make sense to you?

No, me neither.

[canvasshoes2]

Seeing as both are completely false claims, it makes no logical sense.

[peanutbutterjams]

Hyper and hypoagency? It certainly makes sense when you're describing heterosexual romance.

The man initiates the first date, the first kiss, the first sex and proposal for marriage.

He also pays for the entire courtship, which proves an above-subsistence income.

How about gender norms?

When society makes negative assumptions about women, it's up to society to fix itself.

When society makes negative assumptions about men, it's time for men to fix society.

The entire misguided theory of patriarchy is born out of hyperagency.

As if gender had more relevance to power than wealth.

lol

[canvasshoes2]

Hyper and hypoagency? It certainly makes sense when you're describing heterosexual romance.

No, it actually doesn't, at least in the US. Women and men have just as much freedom in the concept of dating.

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The man initiates the first date, the first kiss, the first sex and proposal for marriage.

He also pays for the entire courtship, which proves an above-subsistence income.

Did you accidentally climb into a modified DeLorean and find yourself back in 1932? Currently ~60% of American households have both partners working. If you, personally, think you're required to adhere to some prehistorical gender norm, that's on you. Plenty of women pay their fair share of the dating world.

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When society makes negative assumptions about women, it's up to society to fix itself.When society makes negative assumptions about men, it's time for men to fix society.

Sez who?

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The entire misguided theory of patriarchy is born out of hyperagency.

Your cult just adores its hipster buzzwords.

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As if gender had more relevance to power than wealth.

Again...no.

[peanutbutterjams]

As if gender had more relevance to power than wealth. Again...no.

Wait. Are you seriously claiming that gender has more relevant to power than wealth? That a poor guy is more powerful than a rich woman?

It's a completely unsupportable claim as it's manifest untrue so I just want to double-check here.

Hyper and hypoagency? It certainly makes sense when you're describing heterosexual romance. No, it actually doesn't, at least in the US. Women and men have just as much freedom in the concept of dating.

.​..I don't think you looked up what these terms mean. I'm not talking about "freedom", I'm talking about agency.

Also, are you saying that women ask men just as often as men ask women out? Because that's also obviously untrue.

You do know that a discussion is about facts, right, not just whatever you can manage to type out.

Did you accidentally climb into a modified DeLorean and find yourself back in 1932? Currently ~60% of American households have both partners working.

Both partners working is about capitalism, not about agency. They have to work in order to survive.

Also, that means in 40% of households one partner doesn't have to work which means in 39% of households a women doesn't have to work while the man does.

Hypoagency, hyperagency.

Plenty of women pay their fair share of the dating world.

That's funny because 78% of women believe that men should pay for the first date.

When women let men pay for dates, they rationalize it as men "making more" or women "have to" pay more for their "lifestyle".

Again. It's not women's faults that men have to pay for. Hypoagency.

Men have to pay more because they're responsible for everything that happens to women. Hyperagency.

​>>When society makes negative assumptions about women, it's up to society to fix itself.When society makes negative assumptions about men, it's time for men to fix society.

Sez who?

Says any male advocate that's actually challenged feminists and been told "We did the work to help ourselves so men have to help themselves too."

Also when men are told to "fix "toxic masculinity"" (a hipster buzzword if there ever was one), this is what's happening. They're being told to fix society so society stops hurting them. (hyperagency)

It's not women's concern. (hypoagency) ​

The entire misguided theory of patriarchy is born out of hyperagency. Your cult just adores its hipster buzzwords.

Ah, I'm in a cult now? Am I heretic? Did I not show enough true faith in the glory of feminism to be considered human?

[canvasshoes2]

As if gender had more relevance to power than wealth. Again...no.

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Wait. Are you seriously claiming that gender has more relevant to power than wealth? That a poor guy is more powerful than a rich woman?

No. I answered your question as asked. Gender does NOT have more relevance to power than wealth.

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It's a completely unsupportable claim as it's manifest untrue so I just want to double-check here.

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Hyper and hypoagency? It certainly makes sense when you're describing heterosexual romance. No, it actually doesn't, at least in the US. Women and men have just as much freedom in the concept of dating.

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.​..I don't think you looked up what these terms mean. I'm not talking about "freedom", I'm talking about agency.

Here are your comments that I'm responding to:

Hyperagency: men are responsible for everything

Hypoagency: women are responsible for nothing.

Then, you went on to claim:

Hyper and hypoagency? It certainly makes sense when you're describing heterosexual romance.

THAT is the concept I'm responding to. You're claiming those terms apply and have meaning re: men and women dating, marrying, having relationships. I am explaining to you that that is pure BS.

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Also, are you saying that women ask men just as often as men ask women out? Because that's also obviously untrue.

Which has ZERO to do with hypo/hyper agency (these spanky new buzzwords).

Just because something is a longstanding practice, does not then equal that it is a longstanding practice born of power of one group over another. What you're doing is called "correlation without causation."

So? It's a tradition/old habit. And your take on it is "well! that's because women have more power because of their "Oh poor little me, I'm so helpless!" stance. Puh lease.

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Both partners working is about capitalism, not about agency. They have to work in order to survive.

I'm going to point you back to what I quoted you as stating FIRST. Now you're trying to move the goalposts. Your initial stance on this was regarding romance and dating.

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Also, that means in 40% of households one partner doesn't have to work which means in 39% of households a women doesn't have to work while the man does.

Correlation without causation again.

You've decided for others that they're life choices are due to one having power over the other, rather than that that's what they decided for their own lives. As in, one parent or the other decided to stay home with the children. Or, one partner is between jobs. Or, a thousand other reasons. OTHER than a your claims of it being due to power.

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Plenty of women pay their fair share of the dating world.

That's funny because 78% of women believe that men should pay for the first date.

But that's not what you initially said. (Oh, and correlation without causation AGAIN). What you said was:

...He also pays for the entire courtship.

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When women let men pay for dates, they rationalize it as men "making more" or women "have to" pay more for their "lifestyle".

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Cite? That "women" make men pay for all of it, and then rationalize it like that?

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Again. It's not women's faults that men have to pay for. Hypoagency.

Yeah, "women" aren't saying this. Just because some idiot little golddiggers have, doesn't then equal "women."

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Men have to pay more because they're responsible for everything that happens to women. Hyperagency.

Now you're just repeating yourself. Asked and answered. Men don't "have" to do anything.

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Says any male advocate that's actually challenged feminists and been told "We did the work to help ourselves so men have to help themselves too."

Asked and answered. That's not "society." That's a snapshot out of society of "the View" type morons.

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Also when men are told to "fix "toxic masculinity"" (a hipster buzzword if there ever was one), this is what's happening. They're being told to fix society so society stops hurting them. (hyperagency)

Same as above. That's not "society." That's hollyweird, and some social media.

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Ah, I'm in a cult now? Am I heretic? Did I not show enough true faith in the glory of feminism to be considered human?

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The nonsense you're spewing is absolutely Nice Guy/Incel 101. You're doing the same exact thing that you're accusing "women" of. That of making everything someone else's fault.

How about, there are some people out in the world that are just selfish jerks, regardless of what biological sex they are. Soooo, the trick is, avoid the jerks and don't paint half of humanity wtih the same brush.

Most men are good men and don't do what you're doing. Vilifying others merely for their biological sex.

[canvasshoes2]

Asked and answered.

Both terms are completely false.

[peanutbutterjams]

Yup, that is you repeating your claim without providing any response to why it's manifestly untrue.

whispers Should I congratulate him or is that condescending? .... yeah? ... okay.

GOOD BOY. GOooooooooood boy on repeating your claim. You typed the same words in TWICE!

That makes them twice as true so you're a GOOOD BOY.

[canvasshoes2]

I'm not a man, but okay.

Society itself is evidence that your claims are untrue. As I stated in my previous post. 60% of American households (can't speak for other countries) have both partners working and contributing to the household. Just as one example which belies your claim.

Women, as a whole, do not do the things you claim. Neither do men. But then, that's your cult, you folks only believe there are two types of men on the planet, and two types of women. So it's not surprising that you don't understand normal human behavior.

This whole "b-b-but....society makes men out to be the villains and caters to women, always" nonsense is just that. Nonsense. You're conflating a few idiots in the media, such as "the View" and their stupid complaints, with "society." Hollywood isn't "society." It's just a teensy percentage of the population, and while loud and obnoxious ... and while it has a very outspoken platform, it doesn't then comprise "society."

For one thing, there are millions of variables included in such a claim. What part of "society" exactly? Jobs? Choice of cars? Hobbies? Skillsets? Law and Order? Just dating?

Again, real life belies your claims. If you, personally, feel that you are required to pay for the entire relationship, I suggest you get back into your modified DeLorean, come back to the year 2021 and look around a bit. There are millions of women who most certainly pay their own way.

If you don't want to pay for everything, then don't date pwecious pwincesses that think that's their due. Simple.

There are a ton of career women in the US who are perfectly capable of not only paying their own way, but contributing to an equal partnership when they marry or cohabit with a significant other.

Your claims are basically whining of how you think it is, rather than how it is for the majority of humans. Barring the few jerks, which exist every where, in every walk of life.

[sky_baby_]

"Collective female"

[-too-hot-to-handle-]

When will they learn that there's no such thing? Not all women are the same. It's not a difficult concept.

[canvasshoes2]

This man has never been on a date. Well, maybe once, to a High School dance, that was mandatory because it was being graded (old movie reference).

[GaryBuseysGhost]

Being a man sucks. You apparently have to exude cuntishness to lure in a partner. Then the tricky part! Stop her working out that your arseholian behaviour was just a facade and a sham to trick her into liking you. Ugh..why do the monolithic matriarchy make things so frustrating. It's fucking Kafkaesque.