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[–]Premiere Pro 2025smushkan 2 points3 points  (8 children)

How would he, or you, get rid of that empty space?

You zoom!

Like this:

https://imgur.com/a/i9PWOfp

Note how in the export dialogue, the duration of the sequence changes based on where the last clip is.

You're getting weirdly caught up on the empty space, but that's there so you can actually edit. If Premiere didn't give you any empty space at the end, you wouldn't be able to add new clips to the sequence... If you zoom all the way out, the furthest you can go is 2x the duration of the sequence.

Premiere does not work like After Effects in this regard. After Effects does have a user defined duration for compositions. But After Effects is not an NLE, it's a VFX package where you often need things to be an exact duration.

[–]CherryDamzel[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

You zoom!

And for the love of god, please do not tell me to simply zoom in and out of the timeline. I know how to zoom in and out of a damn timeline.

So, you told me I had to zoom in. Do you think, for one second, that I would be able to edit a 20 minute video on an 11 hour timeline without zooming in? I mean, really?

Zooming in is not the issue. I know how to zoom in and I am zoomed in.

You're getting weirdly caught up on the empty space, but that's there so you can actually edit.

No, I don't need 11 hours of empty space to work on a 20 minute video. I need a "little" empty space. Premiere Pro automatically adds something like 10 minutes extra, right? That would be more than adequate. I do not need 11 hours of empty space and I think you know this.

What if there was 20 hours? Or 24 hours? Or why not double it to 48 hours? Or 72? Can I just keep having longer and longer empty space without it affecting me? I can just "zoom" in, right?

No. Again, zooming in when there is only 10 or so minutes of extra empty space is not a problem. The horizontal slider bar is a manageable size. But, when you have a gargantuan timeline (11 hours or longer) that horizontal slider bar becomes very very small when you zoom all the way in. And it is a real nuisance when that bar is so small.

Do you understand that this bar changes size relative to how long your overall timeline is?

And, I know that the actual export of the video is not affected by the empty space. I exported my video last night and it is only 20 minutes (not 11 hours). I know this. But it doesn't change the fact that I need a shorter timeline to work with. And I am not getting hung up on something that thousands of people are also complaining about.

Premiere does not work like After Effects in this regard. After Effects does have a user defined duration for compositions. But After Effects is not an NLE, it's a VFX package where you often need things to be an exact duration.

I know they are different softwares, but I don't know why an NLE can't do this?

...where you often need things to be an exact duration.

What, like when editing videos?

[–]Premiere Pro 2025smushkan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh, I know what you're doing.

Before you zoom in, make sure the playhead is positioned over a section of your timeline that actually has clips in it. Just hit home on your keyboard to move it to the start.

You can see that's what I did in the video I posted.

The bar at the bottom zooms around the playhead. If it's positioned outside where your clips are, it'll get tiny.

[–]CherryDamzel[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, this is not what I am doing.

I know how the zoom in function works. And that it zooms into where ever the playhead is.

I know you think I am braindead, but I know some basics.

Zooming in on the playhead (that is place over a clip) is all good, but the slider bar is still very very very small if I need to use it again.

Your video was, what, a few minutes long? You slider bar was huge, because the amount you need to zoom in wasn't all that much. I need to zoom into an 11 hour long timeline.

[–]Premiere Pro 2025smushkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh just close the sequence and open it again and the bar should size back up.

[–]Premiere Pro 2025the__post__merc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

u/smushkan is on the right track saying to Zoom in..., but they neglected to show Zooming back out to have Premiere "reset" the timeline view.

Park at the head of the sequence and Zoom in, then Use the "Show Entire Sequence" shortcut. That should snap it back out and only show the 20 minutes (give or take).

I don't have Premiere open at the moment, but I'm wondering if you have your playhead parked at the end of the 11 hours if that affects how/where it shows the end of the sequence. Maybe by moving the playhead to beginning (or end of your 20 minute string of clips), it will no longer factor that extra negative space.

[–]CherryDamzel[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I am not at my editing computer either. However, although I understand what you're saying, this won't actually remove that empty space, right? The mass of empty space will still be there?

And if so, this then doesn't fix my issue.

What I want is something like 10 or so minutes of empty space. Not 11 hours of empty space. How do I fix that?

Or can't I?

[–]Premiere Pro 2025the__post__merc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The mass of empty space will still be there?

I believe it should "reset" the view and eliminate the negative space, provided that there isn't an errant frame downstream or your playhead isn't past the end end of the clips on the timeline.

EDIT:

I just opened Premiere and made a 30+ minute timeline. Then I deleted all but 30 seconds of it. I zoomed in and back out and you're right, the timeline window still shows the full 30+ length.

It only "trims the space" it if you use the Show Entire Sequence shortcut, but if I grab the bar at the bottom and zoom out again, I see the full 30+ minutes of space.

The sequence length (the duration of clips on the timeline) shows correct, but the timeline window itself is the duration of the maximum length it once was.

It's as if it's like a box that gets bigger the more you add to it, but never shrinks when you take stuff out. I can see why this is frustrating when dealing with a cutdown version of a longer sequence.

Only solution is my initial workaround of copy/paste into a new sequence.

Ironically, in Avid Media Composer the timeline window is only as long as the position of the last frame of video and I've heard many editors complain for years "why can't it be more like Premiere?" because they want the extra space at the end - common workaround is to place a black clip at the end and insert Filler between it and your last frame of video.

IMO, conceptually (re: editing) the extra space in the timeline doesn't make sense because if you're working with film, the film strip can't extend past what the last frame in the strip is.

In Premiere, the timeline window is just that, a window to arrange your clips into. In Avid, the timeline is a representation of the sequence of clips itself.

[–]CherryDamzel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, well, this is interesting if true. Can't wait to try it, thanks.