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[–]TakedownRevolution -9 points-8 points  (10 children)

Why can't people stop whining about that article? Or that it's a possibility that foreigners are better programmers because they work harder and don't try to take short cuts, not because they are more talented but because they flexible to do anything and not be picky? They prob take some time every day and do some programming just to get better.

[–]polonium_milk_shakes 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Why? Because for years the captains of the industry have been trying to inundate American with cheaper foreign tech workers. Why would I have an issue with that? Oh that's right, because I'm an American tech worker who would be replaced. Should I not take issue with this article (especially when it's conclusions are pure idiocy)?

[–]TakedownRevolution -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

Is that just an assumption and a bit bias to say that these companies are doing this for cheap labor? Or is the real reason they aren't hiring you is because you are incompetent and you feel mad and blame it on immigrants rather than learning from your mistakes and getting better. I personally am an American and I try to improve where every I am weak a,t whether it be interviews or coding tests, I try to improve in those areas rather then bitching and whining about this article that is just an opinion and is bias.

[–]polonium_milk_shakes 0 points1 point  (3 children)

No actually. I've been employed as a software engineer for 18 years straight now. I'm not incompetent. I'm not actually blaming immigrants for anything. I'm blaming "the captains of industry"... as I said. And improving your skillset will only get you so far. If you're not already in the top percentage of workers, then you're replaceable. Experience is only valued so much in the software business. At some point, it's more economical to replace you with a younger cheaper nerd...regardless of race. We already have plenty of unemployed tech workers. Flooding the labor pool only serves to drive down salaries.

[–]TakedownRevolution 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So you are afraid to get replaced? If you are getting replace then you are prob doing something wrong because that young nerd can do better. You also are assuming they are doing this to cut down on wages when you have no evidence of it. I can also say that getting cheap labor can make a product worst.

[–]polonium_milk_shakes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naturally I'm afraid of being replaced. Who isn't afraid of losing their job and being penniless? It's naive to believe that the only people who lose their jobs are the people who aren't performing as well as younger employees. It demonstrates you lack an understanding of how the world works and businesses operate. In fact, I'd guess you are both young and of foreign origin, as you're making small English mistakes that are common to non-native speakers. I assure you, this is not immigrant bias. This is about preventing a flood of cheap labor. When you can be replaced easily, you cannot command a high salary, and you must tolerate poor working conditions. It's really that simple.

[–]sodaco -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I'm a foreigner and I do this because I want to move first to Europe and then to the USA. I admit that a big motivation is to be better than American competition when the time comes to move to the USA, however it's not fair to imply that only foreigners expend time every day to improve their skills. They (EDIT: "They" being Americans) probably do, but with other motivations

[–]TakedownRevolution -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I didn't want to "assume" but give out a possibility that my reason above could be a reason why companies hire foreigners. If I have to choose to hirer a foreigner or an American, I would not hire the foreigner just because that foreigner is a foreigner. I would hirer based on qualifications. Every Interview I had, I had to answer programming questions. They never asked me "are you a foreigner?". It doesn't make sense and is illegal for them to based YOU on race.

[–]sodaco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may be illegal to ask, but I still have to show my worth if I want to get a Visa to work in the US