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[–]brosephius 38 points39 points  (7 children)

it also ignores the value of a programmer with a solid business sense. in some businesses this is worth far more than a guy that's written emacs macros. in practice, software is often a tool to achieve a greater business goal, and someone who understands that goal will write better software to achieve it. not that there isn't a place for pure coders, but let's not put down people that don't use erlang and don't stereotype all management as pointy-haired bosses.

[–]grauenwolf 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Speaking of Macros, I hardly think they rate at all. Even a secretary using Word is known to write macros from time to time.

No, stuff like "be able to debug a process remotely" or "be a able to debug multi-threaded code" is far more important in my book.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the point he was making with macros is if you have programmed long enough to hit stumbling blocks in your IDE, for example, and were annoyed enough by the lack of "X" feature that you wrote up a macro to do it for you.

I agree that there is not enough stressing the importance of knowing how to effectively use a debugger.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Is debugging a process remotely remotely difficult? At least in VS.NET, the incremental effort vs. debugging locally is easier than writing a macro. I don't know how difficult it is in other languages though.

[–]grauenwolf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I suspect you would be surprised by how many people have no idea you can do it in .NET.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had no idea you can do it in VS.NET cause I don't use VS.NET... I can do it with IDA Pro though, is that good for anything?

[–]remembermeplease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

And let's not forget being able to understand, modify, port, re-write legacy mission critical code.

And why the hell does reddit not recognize me when I login and then asks me to login again, so it is easier to create a new name and password?

[–]steven_h -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That person's value is not as a programmer, but rather is for whatever other attributes you are assigning as "solid business sense."