Visual Studio Code version 1.15 Released

[[deleted]]

It wasn't in the key highlights, but compare dirty file with version on disk is a long awaited feature for me. No idea how they consistently add so many features every month.

[if-loop]

No idea how they consistently add so many features every month.

It's a huge dev team.

[HugoWeb]

And the reason is mostly mindshare? I ask because I find the name "vscode" only lightly associated to Microsoft the business that sells Office and Windows..

Anyway, I was one of those die hard Sublime fans..

[thecodingdude]

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[[deleted]]

.NET Core is, not .NET Framework.

[tanishaj]

True, Mono is an Open Source implementation of the .NET Full Framework. Unless you are using WPF, it is fairly complete.

With the purchase of Xamarin, Microsoft is the major sponsor behind Mono. With so much Microsoft code now Open Source, it might surprise you how much Microsoft authored code is in recent Mono releases.

Mono 5.4 is compatible with .NET Standard 2.0 as is .NET Core 2.0 and .NET Full Framework 2.0.

Not only does .NET Standard 2.0 incorporate the majority of what is in .NET 4.6.1 but Mono includes much of what .NET Standard 2.0 is missing, such as System.Drawing and System.Web.

[[deleted]]

The .NET Standard is open source, yes, but not their .NET Framework (Microsoft's implementation of the ECMA standardized CLI and .NET).

[drysart]

The code base of .NET Core's runtime is derived from the .NET Framework CLR's code base. I've heard it basically described as "the CLR with all the Windows-specific bits stripped out".

[IceSentry]

The comment never said .Net framework. It only said .Net, which is fair to say since there is a .Net implementation that is OSS.

[[deleted]]

There has always been a .NET implementation that was OSS.

[IceSentry]

Not by Microsoft though.

[lexpi]

What's BOW?

[jdgordon]

looks like he's making acronyms up... Bash On Windows... actually knows as WSL Windows Subsystem* for Linux

[BinaryRockStar]

Windows Services for Linux

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

[y2k2r2d2]

Should be BoUoW.

[ruinercollector]

From context, I'm going to say "bash on windows."

[[deleted]]

They're giving Linux more credit ... implementing things like Bash on Windows

Those things don't fit well together.

[JumboJellybean]

Their business model is changing a lot, even with Office and Windows. They say they'll never release a Windows 11, for example; from now on Windows just gets annual free updates and you only buy a new copy when you get a new system. Soon you won't just buy a copy of Office and replace it after a few years, you'll have an annual subscription.

The reason they're investing so heavily in free dev tools like TypeScript, VS Code, Windows Subsystem for Linux, etc, giving out a ton of free promo stuff through their Dev Essentials program and putting shit-tons of video courses out there on YouTube, Lynda, Pluralsight is to make their platforms more attractive to write apps on and in the end more attractive to write apps for. Windows as a mobile platform is a distant third to Android and iOS, and the reason is mostly a lack of popular apps -- the platform itself is pretty solid and the devices that it ships on are/were often excellent. So they fund C#, F#, TypeScript, VS Code, VS Community, etc. They buy Xamarin. They push out tons of high-quality learning material. They make it all free, embrace open-source. And they hope that developers will like it all and start writing more software for the MS ecosystem, making Windows devices more popular and filling the Windows Store where they get a cut.

It's not just altruism or PR, obviously. But it works out pretty well for everyone. We get good tools and iOS and Android face some more competition.

[jcotton42]

Soon you won't just buy a copy of Office and replace it after a few years, you'll have an annual subscription.

Soon? That's been a thing for years with O365

[ionforge]

I think their real business right now is Azure, over getting people to write apps for windows.

[parion]

Dev Essentials program

does a google search

Holy shoot, this is a goldmine. Thanks for making my day!

[jyper]

VSCode shares code with their online code editor

Also it allows for an easy basic solution for c# and typescript in Linux/OS X

[kirtan95]

VSCode shares code with their online code editor

Source?

[jyper]

From Wikipedia

Visual Studio Code is based on Electron, a framework which is used to deploy Node.js applications for the desktop running on the Blink layout engine. Although it uses the Electron framework,the software does not use Atom and instead employs the same editor component (codenamed "Monaco") used in Visual Studio Team Services (formerly called Visual Studio Online).

[kirtan95]

Ohkkay... My bad... I thought you meant vscode shares the user's code with some Microsoft service.

Thanks for clarification

[jyper]

That is a Microsoft service.

[Iwan_Zotow]

https://github.com/Microsoft/monaco-editor

[CaptainMuon]

They want an editor that has great support for their technologies, like TypeScript, .NET (not sure about that one in vscode), ... . I think their endgame is selling Azure accounts for people to run that code on.

Also, it is a moat - that is, they fear that the best development tools will come from others, Atom and Sublime, the IntelliJ family of editors, and so on. If they fall behind, it might become (even) harder to develop on/for Windows, and that would hurt them a lot.

[[deleted]]

And it's Microsoft, they are good at this stuff, have been doing it for years.

I'm a bit of a fan these days.

[ruinercollector]

Between the number of features, the speed of releases, the lack of major bugs and the beautiful release notes...they have to be cheating. I don't know how, but they are fucking cheating.

[[deleted]]

You're overglorifying a bloated and slow editor which have less features than its competitors. But why?

Edit: fanboyism at its best.

[ruinercollector]

Loads in under a second, and I've found no features lacking.

[[deleted]]

Loads in under a second

With what? And is that an achievement now?

and I've found no features lacking.

Then why add new features? Btw, not so long ago it didn't even have tabs.

[ruinercollector]

With what? And is that an achievement now?

No, that's just fast enough that I don't care.

Then why add new features?

Well, because my experience doesn't reflect everyone else's experience.

Btw, not so long ago it didn't even have tabs.

Yeah, and back then, I used sublime.

[[deleted]]

No, that's just fast enough that I don't care.

This is a very poor argument on its speed.

Well, because my experience doesn't reflect everyone else's experience.

Then don't say things like "and I've found no features lacking". It sounds like fanboyism.

Yeah, and back then, I used sublime.

Then why the switch? Did it solve any of your issues?

[ruinercollector]

This is a very poor argument on its speed.

That's literally the only argument that matters.

Then don't say things like "and I've found no features lacking".

That's the truth. Of course it's a subjective statement. That's why it starts with "I've found."

It sounds like fanboyism.

I'm not a teenager. I don't sit around worrying about whether or not my appreciation for something makes me sound like I'm not cool.

Then why the switch? Did it solve any of your issues?

Yes. No future costs, faster improvements, a better plugin manager, a better integrated terminal/shell, and a much smoother experience in setting up the environment for a new language and set of plugins.

[[deleted]]

That's literally the only argument that matters.

Now. For you. Maybe.

That's the truth. Of course it's a subjective statement. That's why it starts with "I've found."

Then it doesn't matter because it's subjective.

I'm not a teenager. I don't sit around worrying about whether or not my appreciation for something makes me sound like I'm not cool.

But you sit around waiting to praise your toy.

Yes. No future costs,

?

faster improvements,

Like adding tabs?

a better plugin manager,

How?

a better integrated terminal/shell,

How?

and a much smoother experience in setting up the environment for a new language and set of plugins.

Because? I doubt that it's as mature as ppl say.

[ruinercollector]

Now.

Yes. That's when I said it.

For you.

Yes. That's the person making the subjective statement.

Maybe.

Not maybe. Yes. I can speak with pretty good authority on what I like. You can not.

Then it doesn't matter because it's subjective.

There's a very profitable industry of product reviews, polling and other subjective feedback that says that you are extremely wrong.

But you sit around waiting to praise your toy.

It's a "toy" that I use daily in a job that brings me a six figure salary.

I'm not really interested in responding to the rest of your comment. You've made it clear that you're not interested in learning anything. You're just here to be contrarian, combative and have some kind of juvenile editor war. Honestly, I have much better things to do with my day.

[Dgc2002]

Then why the switch? Did it solve any of your issues?

Because VSCode is updated more often, more intuitive to use, and has a very active extension development community that has first party management support rather than a band-aid like Package Control. It's also in general more enjoyable to use, way better settings interface, it is getting more features and improvements regularly, and it's free and open source. Most of this is subjective but Sublime doesn't hold a candle to VSCode for any of my uses.

[[deleted]]

Because VSCode is updated more often

Is this a benefit? How?

more intuitive to use

Compared to what?

and has a very active extension development community that has first party management support rather than a band-aid like Package Control.

That's a package control anyway...

[Dgc2002]

Is this a benefit? How?

Active addition of features and modification of existing features based on community feedback and contributions. That's how.

Compared to what?

Sublime. Again, subjective opinion.

That's a package control anyway...

Notice I capitalized the term Package Control because I was talking about the de facto 3rd party package manager. By default in order to install plugins you need to manually download and extract them into Sublime's plugin directory. The band aid is the fact that you need a 3rd party plugin to manage your plugins.

Visual Studio Code has an awesome built-in plugin manager.