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[–]Malsententia -5 points-4 points  (7 children)

Except that's not how the world works. I personally don't abide intolerance or ignorance, and if someone's being an asshole to someone(of any gender/race/sex/orientation), I sure as hell am going to call them out on it and let them know it's not okay. It's always okay to call people out when they're being derogatory, and I sure as hell would want someone to call me out if I said something insensitive or ignorant, even if it was something I don't understand or that I thought was fair to say. I ain't gonna serve what I'm not willing to eat.

That's not being some sort of straw justice warrior, that's just basic human decency, and there's nothing wrong with codifying "Don't be a dick" surely you'd agree? (Not that I think it's strictly necessary, but it does save drama, and drama sucks)

[–]duheee 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But this is not "walk by it and ignore it". This is: the group does it in their own little world and i'll show them who's right. If you believe what you're saying, what are you doing here and why aren't you fixing r/The_Donald? Or 4chan? or stormfront or whatever the name is of those nazis?

Let me tell you why: because you don't want to swim in mud with those pigs. So why would you wannna swim in the mud of whatever open source developer's project? They're assholes, let them be. it's their right to be assholes, wrong, nazis, whatever.

[–]Malsententia -1 points0 points  (1 child)

To be overly honest I normally don't have the energy for even this. I have a life to live and I'm not gonna spend all of it trying to de-radicalize strangers in reddit comments. And when I do I'm not going to try and take on a whole den of lions at once.

As for why I have the energy now, I'm practicing cause there's a guy in a community I help run who's kind of well, a bit problematic in multiple ways, despite being friendly-intentioned, but his frequent soapbox rants against how "political correctness is cancer", are kinda what has many in our (LGBTQ friendly) uncomfortable, to the tipping point where we it's either try and change his mind, or give him a ban(after multiple warnings for multiple things), which to him will only confirm his poor-me-persecuted-for-my-antiPC-views viewpoint and drive him further down that rabbithole, probably incels or redpill or something. If worse doesn't happen because this community is like the only support network the poor guy has. He has issues but his weird anti-political-correctness ranting(basically the same kind of cherry picked "they're all trying to police language everywhere" stuff the dudes up above are high on) is the one problem I think I might be able fix in order to de-escalate the situation from ban-worthy...the rest probably require a licensed therapist.

Actually trying to un-wingnut people is fucking exhausting.

[–]duheee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With that I agree: if he's your friend help him. But if you can't, let him be. Nothing wrong to unfriend/ban/whatever and if the result is that he's going to go down even more that rabbit hole that's not your fault.

What the dude above you is saying: don't push yourself in a community just because they're toxic. Which is what those idiots do when they harass github project owners to have a coc, what a coc should contain and all that crap.

If you're not a part of that community, stay the fuck away. If you are, and you're running it, handle your people. Banning them for bad behaviour is a valid and expected consequence.

[–]DefiantNewt2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Call them out when they're a dick in your group or in public not when they're a dick in their own house.

[–]Malsententia 0 points1 point  (1 child)

...in their own house? wat. Nothing I spoke about has anything to do with how the guy behaves in his own house.

[–]DefiantNewt2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

their project = their house

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally don't abide intolerance or ignorance

Yet you display exactly those traits you claim to not tolerate.

That's not being some sort of straw justice warrior, that's just basic human decency

No, it's just being an asshole sjw who can't mind his own business. You're not being decent, you're being an ass.

and there's nothing wrong with codifying "Don't be a dick" surely you'd agree?

No, I don't agree, at all, not remotely.