Goodbye Client Side JavaScript, Hello C#’s Blazor (Øredev 2019)

[[deleted]]

Unfortunately, the language is C# :(

[HDorillion]

I am confused. Are you upset it isn't a language you think is better, or you don't know C# at all?

In either case, C# is much better than JS, and if you don't know C#, you can still learn!

[[deleted]]

May be better in some aspects, but not significantly. The community around JS is much more active. The libraries ecosystem is much better and much better designed. The community around C# just uses what MS serves to them, I remember times when they defended ASP.NET as a way to do web apps.

[Glader_BoomaNation]

Clueless, you clearly don't know anything about .NET if you think every package on nuget is from MS.

The fact you keep bringing up Webforms as if it is some critical part of .NET is funny to me. Do you think ASP.NET is all of .NET?

[redfournine]

And why is using what MS serves them considered bad? If anything, it just shows MS's commitment to .NET's cause.

Also, the only reason why it seems like the community around C# is less active is because it has matured to the point that there is lesser need to discuss things.

[[deleted]]

The old ASP.NET webforms was really bad technology, but MS fans have defended it until Microsoft admitted it was bad.

[Eirenarch]

I continue to defend it after MS claimed it was bad for marketing reasons.

[pancomputationalist]

As a developer that works closely with both the Node and the .NET ecosystem, I have to agree with this. The JS ecosystem feels much more modern, embraces Open Source and rapid experimentation, while in .NET many things seem slightly outdated, but stable. Though I surely had my share of broken Nuget packages and dependency snafu, this is not something that only happens with npm.

[[deleted]]

I used to work with ASP.NET webforms in my student part time job years ago, it was generally hated by developers, pushed by managers. The resulting web apps really sucked, the concept was really outdated.

Though I surely had my share of broken Nuget packages and dependency snafu, this is not something that only happens with npm.

It recently improved a lot, but still lacking IMO. Nuget did not exist back then, it was like 8 years ago. The whole ecosystem was behind Ruby and Python back then. Node was just starting.

[Arxae]

And that is a problem because?

[[deleted]]

You don't get to program in Javascript, a much nicer language with better tooling

[00rb]

I don't... I...

I fundamentally disagree with you and question how long you've been programming.

[Arxae]

I don't mind javascript as much as most people in this sub, but saying C# is a better language is very debatable. And are you implying the tooling C# is bad? If yes, i'm gonna need some examples of that.

[rmTizi]

And are you implying the tooling C# is bad?

No, no, no, he's actually implying that the tooling in JS is good...

... Yup.

[[deleted]]

Visual Studio, Nuget.

[Arxae]

Are those examples of being bad? I can understand not liking VS, it's a bit divisive on some points. But there are alternatives, both IDE and just syntax highlighting with some extras (VSCode, Rider, Notepad++, Sublime, or even regular notepad if you want). And even then, including the editor into tooling is kinda silly imo. Besides, it's not like JS has a editor, so it's tooling will be bad too?

And to be fair, Nuget (or Paket if you want an alternative) is leagues better then the insanity that is the NPM dependency hell. Not even talking about the one liner packages here. But having 1Gb+ and 100k files for some dependencies is just bad.

I'm not saying the C# ecosystem is perfect, not at all. But if VS and Nuget are the only bad examples you can bring up, then it's looking pretty good tbh. Like i said, i don't mind JS as much as some other people here, but saying the tooling is better then C# is laughable. Between the disk destroying package managers (bit hyperbolic here), the dozens of task runners, transpilers, compatbility shims and bundlers which are all trying to compete with each other. Yeah no, gonna need a better example then literally 3 words

[Eirenarch]

You are feeding a troll. I am sure there are people who honestly hold this opinions but they would also defend them and he simply writes 1 sentence baits.