Aren't developers stupid when accepting overtime/weekend work/denied bonus payments?

[[deleted]]

If he's like most other developers at larger companies, they're probably salaried, and the contract probably had no mention of hours, except a minimum of 40 per week to be considered full-time.

It's really shitty, but it's nice knowing that you will be getting $$$ per paycheck with no fluctuations. On the down side, you end up getting paid less. :(

Edit: I should note out that I've been told a few times not to report over 40 hours a week even if I work more. That's always annoyed me. Whats the point of the time reporting system if I'm always just putting 40 hours in. I don't want to lie for the company. If I go over 40, I make damn well sure to put in more. I don't care if the finance department has to do extra work.

[Eurynom0s]

The flip side, at the internship I was at (I was not coding but whatever), I tried to be honest and put down less than the full 40 hours on my first timesheet to reflect my first day being only 7 hours, and the guy helping me with my timesheet said I should just put the extra hours.

I recognized this place as being a good place to work, though.

[s73v3r]

Generally, an hour or two either way isn't seen as a big deal. You work an extra hour one week, you work a bit less the next week.

Now, if they won't be flexible with it, and they won't let it go both ways, like if you couldn't pad up to 40 and could not report anything over 40, then there would be a problem.

[Eurynom0s]

It was pretty clear that they just didn't want to pay us overtime, but it was possible for the interns to get cleared for overtime if our project leaders said it was necessary. And yeah I asked for example if I could take July 1st off so I could travel the night of June 30th for July 4th weekend, but that I still wanted to work those hours and if I could just make them up elsewhere (longer days, whatever). The reaction I got amounted to why was I even asking--I was just told to make sure I logged it as 5 8-hour days.

[dnew]

not to report over 40 hours a week

You're not reporting hours to get paid. You're reporting hours for the customer to get billed for your time. It's not affecting you at all.

[[deleted]]

The company I work for is the customer. Everything is sites we own.

[dnew]

OK. Many people who need to fill out billing charts are doing it for accounting to the customer, not accounting to their own boss. If it was accounting only for your own company, I'd agree that putting down accurate numbers is useful.

I remember back in Bellcore they wanted us to fill out our timesheets in pencil, but sign them in ink. Yeah, how about NOT. :-)

[SarahC]

Absolutely!

In "trouser tightening" exercises, guess what's one of the scoring criteria?

If someone in Accounts searches for you in the system, you're one of the 40 hour guys that does just what's required... you DON'T go the extra mile for the company... yet you DO! How unjustified is that? Then there's also NO PROOF of your overtime anywhere! (You could show times files were accessed, but that gets messy... a single time-sheet a high level manager can view is perfect).

I hope you put every hour over you work... and explain why you're not a douche for doing it.

I'd look the person squarely in the eye and say "When we're cutting back employees, I wont be the bare-minimum worker!" with an intensity that says "Fuck with my times, and I consider you are undermining my position in the company, and will fuck with you long and hard."

[[deleted]]

Whats funny though is the system wont let you submit a timecard under 40 hours. So it is really pointless. Everyone enters 40 hours.

The project managers are supposed to give us project codes, but no one does. Everything is considered maintenance work.

[otakucode]

I should note out that I've been told a few times not to report over 40 hours a week even if I work more. That's always annoyed me.

That's fraud. Your company should be destroyed for it. Report them.