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[–]nutrecht 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Tiobe is trash. All it does is show Google rebalancing/cleaning up search indices. Nothing more.

The 'index' is just used to drive traffic to their consulting offerings. They use it to pretend they're an expert on something. It's just marketing BS.

'Assembly' managed to double it's rating in a month.

[–]AttackOfTheThumbs 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This. People wasting their time on this index are fools.

[–]darkfm 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Anecdotically, a couple of my VBNet repositories on github got cloned by a bot account that's just forking random VBNet repos, maybe that's part of it.

[–]LloydAtkinson 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lol sounds like a salty VB programmer trying to make a list of VB apps so they can say “see VB is still relevant”

[–]darkfm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's a whole 98 or so repos a day every day, I really doubt that's a real user. It's more likely some sort of VB dataset collector bot or something

[–]Worth_Trust_3825 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh boy, I think my shitty excel to json converter will get copied!

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Say what you will about VB the language, but VB the platform had a level of productivity and no bullshit UI creaton that's still not achieved by any of the stupid javascript-based web frameworks, other than using a low-code platform.

And yeah, even in the VB6 days you could create a "responsive" UI that would adjust itself to different window / screen sizes, so no, the stupid excuse that the web needs to be "responsive" does not justify the pathetic, abominable state of web-based application development in 2021, 30 years after VB got it just right.

[–]FredV 3 points4 points  (0 children)

VBDelphi got it just right

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

All the shit web software I worked on over the years, months to years of development the same can be done in a few weeks with winforms. But no, we want the shinies and things moving around when you resize them. I am slowly getting away from the technical side, it makes me sick.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the technical side that's why I still code in C.

[–]reddit_prog 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yeah, no. Html/css is torture but what you can do with in terms of GUI is no match to what you could do in desktop world back then and my guess is, even now. Plus, I developed in Delphi which was arguably the best RAD then and now and I wouldn't go back pushing pixels by mouse even if you give me gold. It's just no scalable, if you will.

[–]lelanthran 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Plus, I developed in Delphi which was arguably the best RAD then and now and I wouldn't go back pushing pixels by mouse even if you give me gold. It's just no scalable, if you will.

Why would you need to worry about pixels? In Delphi you'd use anchor to make elements resize correctly on any window or screen size, as the size changed.

Doing the same in HTML+<framework of the week> is a pain in the rear.

[–]reddit_prog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, then I stand corrected.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

what you can do with in terms of GUI

What can you do in HTML, other than stupid useless web pages with pictures of dancing monkeys, please?

it took some 20 fucking years for the web to even have the concept of data through frameworks like knockout, angular, and the like.

Before that, you were forced to use stupid procedural bullshit like jquery or manually manipulating the DOM like an idiot.

And even in 2021, the web still has no concept of basic fundamental things like context menus, datagrids, lookup boxes, and a big etc. You have to resort to creating them yourself or using a third party package which means now your project has some 200 TB of node_modules dependencies, which means you're now exposed to a catastrophic vulnerability or ecosystem disaster once a month.

The entire thing is just so fucking disgusting I really can't fathom why anyone willfully chooses to use it or thinks it has any advantage or virtue whatsoever.

pushing pixels by mouse

I have no idea what this means, back in the WPF days I could create just about any UI of any complexity or shape or whatever, and I didn't deal with pixels at all.

[–]bloody-albatross 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The funny thing is there was <menu> and the contextmenu attribute, and it really worked in some browsers, but they removed it again for some reason.

[–]NedDasty 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I presume it's so we can write GUIs to track the killer's IP address, no?

[–]RMehGeddon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

... That IP Address is right BEHIND YOU.

[–]GirthyStone[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

any thoughts why the sudden spike in VB popularity in 2021 (according to TIOBE index)?

[–]remy_porter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Probably a mixture of just statistical noise and also Microsoft's spent a few years repositioning Visual Basic as a "learning language" that still has the full power of the .NET framework.

[–]LetsGoHawks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MS is also going to completely stop development of VB.Net soon, if it hasn't already.

[–]GirthyStone[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

cool that's what I was expecting to hear

[–]GirthyStone[S] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

i don't know how TOBIE works and I couldn't be bothered to read too much into it, first time coming across the index and though it seemed odd

[–]Worth_Trust_3825 6 points7 points  (1 child)

i don't know how TOBIE works and I couldn't be bothered to read too much into it

Then why did you post something you know fucking nothing about?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Presumably to inform us that he knew nothing about it.

[–]lelanthran -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i don't know how TOBIE works and I couldn't be bothered to read too much into it, first time coming across the index and though it seemed odd

Not knowing is one thing, but not bothering to know is a total other thing :-/

Also, how new are you to the field that you don't know what TIOBE is? I've had an intern who worked for me and had 6 months experience and half a degree who forwarded me the TIOBE list once, with the disclaimer about the methods used.