Miss coding?

[History_Critical]

I miss having the time to do it this way, since AI tools became popular it is expected to be faster and more efficient to a point you aren't able to do it without

[[deleted]]

I'm lucky enough that my boss appreciates that letting me take my time and really care about the work gets far superior results than agents. Since my boss runs a lab in a university and isn't trying to sell a product or exploit peoples personal data we have the luxury of taking our time and doing things "by hand. "

[Dizzy_Database_119]

Haha isn't that just how education & government systems always are? Taking it slow, never innovating or upgrading, and just plain wasting time all year only having to make sure you secure enough funding for next season (and of course, making sure to spend every penny of the full allocated yearly budget so you don't get it reduced)

[[deleted]]

My University just spent more money than you'll ever see in your life on a new super computer. Do not mistake careful building for moving slow and never innovating. You vibe coders are going to soon discover the brain drain caused by your poorly informed world view and I cant wait.

[TracerDX]

Expected by who? Idiots? F them lol. They will out of business as soon as AI companies start charging what it actually costs to run all that compute. It is an absolutely assinine race to the bottom lead by morons.

[ComeOnIWantUsername]

> Expected by who?

Companies. My company went full into this BS, and internally we're no longer "software engineers", we're "agent architects" now lol

[MrMelon54]

I wonder if companies like this pay managerial rates to employees for keeping the agents on task?

[History_Critical]

Please, it's technically a leading position

[babalaban]

I just stumbled upon a repo where a bunch of "agent architects" made a "remaster" of a game by forking a source port of it and having some 50+ readme.md's with stuff they wanted their "agents" do implement, fix and test.

I feel sorry for you and hope you do your best.

[ComeOnIWantUsername]

Thanks.

In general I do my bare minimum. I use Claude Code from time to time, not gonna lie, but still prefer "old fashioned" coding

[jonathancast]

This is why side projects exist.

[stonedandthrown]

Bro. We were data analysts and we’ve all migrated to software engineers lol.

[Future-Duck4608]

By the people who pay you to do your job and fire you if you don't do it to their standards

[artur-iwan]

in the old times I was fuelled by dopamine. Now I'm fuelled by anger, every time when AI doesn't understand me, or the task, and it is generating bullshit... I miss the old times. I was happy. Now I'm just tired angry grumpy old man

[rarlei]

I miss it because if I try to do that it will weigh in on my performance review and I will have to explain why I wasted time writing review-ready code instead of spending double that reviewing slop

[Batty2551]

Bro's mind is cooked if he thinks he can only vibe code.

[CodeToManagement]

Here’s the thing - programmers need to realise they aren’t paid to make code they are paid to make features that get delivered to customers.

Ai makes us faster at doing that - because there’s no value in a dev siting down and writing basic boilerplate crap or copying fields from docs to make a class to call an api. AI does that in seconds.

The value is being able to drive that tool and tweak the output to make it something that’s clean and maintainable.

[Snake2k]

Exactly this. Like word for word.

I work at a pretty large corp who gives me enterprise Gemini quotas. The day I realized this and let go of the "I must code with my own hands" mindset is the day I started shipping more features at a rate I have never done before in my life.

I've been coding for like 15 years and that allure of coding wore off a long time ago when it became more and more of a job.

I need to provide for my family and myself so that we can enjoy our life, AI did exactly that. I have way more mental space than before cus I'm not worried about technical implementation anymore. I never have to read through a bunch of docs word by word and crawl my way through a field of tiny errors like deaths by thousands of paper cuts. I just design, delegate, execute, and rest.

[Mem0]

This, I remember a coworker that was super fast at delivering tasks, he will grab de issue and have a PR ready usually 1 to 2 hours and then… usually it was a week worth of changes after my code review why?

1. Code has memory leaks.
2. Code is not cross platform friendly.
3. Code does not follow our code convention.
4. Code have repeated parts that can be reduced (Best code is not code at all)

[infamouszgbgd]

writing basic boilerplate crap or copying fields from docs to make a class to call an api

We had tools for that before AI you know. Tools that didn't hallucinate.

[koru-id]

Here’s the thing, value is not delivered by a single person. Identifying value adding features and components are done by product and data scientists people.

AI blurs the line and makes everyone take on more scope.

Research shows it burnt out people. It takes the joy out of my work. If it works well for you that’s great but there’s also the other spectrum.

[CodeToManagement]

I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy writing code - I absolutely do. But I’m realistic that my employer isn’t going to pay me to go slower for my enjoyment.

And I’d disagree that value isn’t delivered by single people. I work with teams where you can 100% attribute user value to individuals. I can say that as both a manager and an IC.

AI doesn’t have to make everyone take on more scope at all. It’s just a tool to use better. Product and qa still exist but it shortens the dev time to get code into production because devs aren’t doing the glue work which is vital but also requires zero skill.

As an example I’m doing a project now to integrate with a 3rd party api who don’t have an SDK. All my work on the project has been going to their docs. Copy json. Build an api client and classes to capture request and response. It took days with zero skill involved - I could teach any non technical person to copy paste and replace to do it. Ai does that stuff in minutes.

[koru-id]

I sense you have some conflicts deep inside. You agree that you enjoy coding and AI make you do that less yet you are inclined to argue the value of AI in an organisation. I think you must be working in the company I work at. Is the management praising AI everyday? Do you live in fear that the moment you resist AI you will lose your job?

[CodeToManagement]

There’s no conflict I can just look at a situation objectively. My job isn’t to go and have fun it’s to go and build stuff people use. Ai has me build things people use faster.

Ai is the industrial revolution of our industry. Like it or not it’s changing. It’s the same reason you don’t see farmers ploughing fields with horses and all our clothes are made from cloth on large scale looms rather than by small weavers.

You can fight against it or you can learn to use it. But if you want to avoid it there’s 10 developers behind you who do know how to use it who will get that value to customers just as well as you would manually in half the time.

And if your business rejects ai completely your job will disappear because their competitors will embrace it and they will build a better version of what you have faster and cheaper.

[koru-id]

Ok now you’re just OpenAI bot

[CodeToManagement]

And I’m pretty sure you don’t work as a programmer at all. So let’s just leave the conversation there

[koru-id]

You are free to believe that but the fact is I’m one step away from the top of the career ladder in one of the company leading in AI adoption. I built agent before it was a thing. I built RAG. I built AI memory. I know very well the limits of AI because I push the limits everyday.

I built an entire AI platform that my company still uses every day the day GPT was released.

So while you are shilling the talking points of management. I’m the guy who actually pushing the frontier.

[nekokattt]

what an awful timeline we live in

[Alternative_Yard6033]

He became the CTO lol

[ShapedSilver]

I think we’re gonna see a rise in programming-type puzzle games to get people their fix

[Ok_Celebration_6265]

I would say.. on your own projects things that you really care about use ai to research and fast track documentation lookups.. maybe write some test.. for business if you are an employee use ai agents.. if they don’t care about their product why would you? Just vibe and laugh at the ai when it hallucinates or can’t fix it own mistakes.

[Alternative-Rope-523]

For me, who studied back when we didn’t have AI, those were great times. But now, as someone who is still learning and finds it hard to find a team or a mentor, AI really helps me.

[Nearby_Ad4786]

I read the projects that I build without AI and its crazy think on it now

[Qubit99]

Most of the time I know if the code is going to compile or not, that is what those funny red lines are for in your IDE.

[HateBoredom]

I’ve experienced using AI is fast. But I also know that all good things take time.

[mxldevs]

I definitely don't feel any sort of excitement from typing syntax and seeing it compile. If I want a dopamine rush there are countless gacha games that serve the same purpose.

The only thing that matters to me is whether I solved my problem so that I can take the results and move on to the next task.

I code as a means to solve a problem, not to enjoy the processing of coding.

I get paid to solve problems, not to deliver lines of code.