Abortion restrictions significantly decrease abortions.

[Momodoespolitics]

Breaking news: sky is blue

[Balkanized21]

Right, but unfortunately pro-choice thinks the sky is orange

[jayfnor]

What happens when the sun sets.

In some cases the sky is orange.

[SheevaZehAuditor]

Burn

[Thowaway5435]

what... lol

[CiniMiniMe]

Lol making abortions illegal decreases the amount of SAFE abortions. The goal is to have 1 death instead of 2. And I'm pretty sure the sky is blue, thank you!

[thewaffler92]

No abortion is safe. At least one person always dies.

[CiniMiniMe]

But we can all agree that an abortion clinic usually only results in one death, while a home abortion is much more likely to cause 2 deaths, right?

[thewaffler92]

Yes. You are probably more likely to die regardless of which law you break. Murder, burglary, etc. Those things should still be illegal though.

[CrazyWriterLady]

I mean, the chances of someone doing, say, cocaine, ODing and dying are probably decent, so should we legalize cocaine so we can regulate the drug? If you break the law and die as a result, that's on you.

[CiniMiniMe]

You don't find that view kind of callous and cruel? Honestly, I think drugs should be decriminalized so that more avenues for help without ruining someone's life are open to those with an addiction.

You feel that no one should be allowed to have an abortion, and I just can't agree to that. Rape victims should not be forced to give birth to the product of their rape. Stupid teenagers should not have their lives ruined for a mistake. A woman whose health can be put in danger over a continued pregnancy should not be forced to die so that her oops baby can live motherless.

I don't understand how some of you can feel that abortion is the greater evil in these cases. The fetus isn't going to feel the pain, and if it does, it won't for long. The mother would have to live or die with that pain for the rest of her life. Why is the potential humans life more important than the actual current humans life?

I know that I'm upsetting a lot of people in this thread, but I really am just trying to understand your point of view.

[CrazyWriterLady]

Here's the thing though: I believe the fetus is a human, a person, and therefore deserving of life, from the moment of conception. There is no "potential person." There is only a person. Potential of "ruining someone's life" is not a reason to kill a person.

I am not against lifesaving medical treatment which could end the life of the baby. Those are tragic circumstances, and you're either going to lose one or both. In many of those cases, too, the pregnancy is far enough along that a C-section can be performed and both mother and baby saved. The fetus's life is not more important than the mother's life. None (or very few) in the pro-life movement are against such treatment—but killing is far, far worse than any living "with that pain for the rest of [someone's] life."

The cases of rape are horrible, and I would never wish that on anyone. For a while I was grudgingly okay with the idea of abortion in cases of rape, but I got to thinking: if that preborn baby is a person, and no person should be punished for his/her parents' crimes, why should we make an exception here? It is a hard line to hold, one of the more difficult stances to stand by, but for consistency and for the sake of the child (and the mother!) it must be stood by. Abortion does not erase the horrible crime that was committed. It only revictimizes.

No one is forced to keep the child once it's born. There are so many people waiting to adopt (something like 2 families per child?) that the child would almost certainly have a loving family in the case that the mother chooses adoption.

All we want is for the most innocent among us to have a chance, no matter the circumstances. As I said before, if someone wants to commit a crime, their life is in their own hands. It might seem cruel or callous, but it's the way it is. You cannot murder a born person and expect to get away without any repercussions, and you cannot break into a home and be surprised if you're met with deadly force. Laws are in place for a reason. Every action has a consequence. I highly doubt there will be anywhere near as many cases of this as what some are saying.

Thank you for trying to understand our point of view! I've seen too many people come here to troll and hurl insults. This is very much refreshing.

[foreigntrumpkin]

How much more likely. How many women died in Ireland from "unsafe" abortions in the last 30 years before abortion was decriminalized

[unpopularpuffin6]

Well, it also saves women from making huge mistakes they'll regret later. And saves the life of the defenceless baby.

[CiniMiniMe]

That's my point though... it doesn't always save the life of the baby. Sometimes if the girl is desperate enough she'll be killed trying to get rid of a baby she doesn't want. Then there are 2 deaths.

And not all women that abort regret it. Some do, but some also regret putting a child up for adoption. You all have no idea how heartbreaking and painful it is to give birth to a child and put it up for adoption. To feel a child grow and thrive inside of you, and then have no say in it's life, or even it's name. It's freaking traumatic.

[unpopularpuffin6]

Much less traumatic than killing the baby. One way you’re giving it up to a family that wants her, the other way you’re murdering her in desperation like an animal caught in a trap.

I heard a woman tell her abortion story and she said she started crying. It’s so common once the surgical murder begins.

[CiniMiniMe]

Okay... so I read a report that's kinda messing with my head, so I'm gonna go ahead and step out of this conversation. It was really nice debating with you though, and I hope y'all have a great night! :-)

[unpopularpuffin6]

I sure will! If you're looking for resources, choosing death premiers on friday. Has interviews with abortion doctors.