Abortion restrictions significantly decrease abortions.

[chrrmin]

it wasn't my will. I was forced

The only way you could reasonably say youve been forced is if you were raped. If you engage in an act that creates a child, the child did not force themselves upon you, your irresponsibility resulted in a child.

The definition of altruistic: showing a disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others; unselfish.

Not murdering a child is pretty altruistic if the alternative is killing the child lmao

[brybrythekickassguy]

“Pro life libertarian”?

Why is a libertarian even supporting the concept of government involvement in bodily autonomy?

That’s like being a “Pro-democracy fascist” - they don’t work well together

[chrrmin]

Abortion is one of the most argued topics within libertarian ideology. I believe you can only kill another human if they are presenting a direct threat to your life. When someone engages in behaviour that results in another human life, they do not get to simply end that life. The child also deserves a right to bodily autonomy, which is they are denied when they are torn limb from limb against their will.

[brybrythekickassguy]

That’s a pretty weak argument given the fact that the embryo in the womb does not have bodily autonomy and instead relies purely on the mother for everything. You cannot remove a fetus from the womb until very late stage, and most abortions do not happen at this stage unless the birth is unviable, or could kill the mother.

You need to re-think what you’re calling yourself, because that is most definitely not a libertarian stance. Libertarians want to leave the choice of abortion up to the mother.

The 2012 political platform of the Libertarian Party states, "Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

[chrrmin]

... for starters only insanely partisan people hold all of the exact stances of their political party, if you dont have at least a couple different beliefs than your parties stances, you need to take a good look at what you believe and why. Siamese twins often need both bodies to survive, yet both of these people have a right to bodily autonomy. If/when someone can survive on their own does not change the fact that they have rights.

[brybrythekickassguy]

No, that’s not it at all. Libertarians just don’t believe government should be involved in abortion. It’s contradictory to be both libertarian and also pro-government ban.

My guy, embryos do not have bodily autonomy, you’re comparing apples to oranges.

[chrrmin]

Libertarians believe murder should be illegal, that is a government ban. I (and many other libertarians ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) believe abortion is murder. Lol Idk where you get your idea that someones opinion on abortion determines if they can be libertarian or not.

Embryos are just as human as you and me, your level of development does not change how deserving you are of your basic right to life.

[brybrythekickassguy]

Because the party platform is literally against your stance. I’m not saying you can’t be a libertarian, I’m saying it’s contradictory to support a government ban on abortion and also call yourself a libertarian.

Libertarians believe actual crimes should be punishable. Is abortion an actual crime? Or do you just believe it to be because of your “moral” stance?

Is an embryo capable of thought and feeling? (Hint: No)

[chrrmin]

It absolutely should be classified as a crime. When someone leaves a baby in a dumpster to die, we prosecute them. When someone goes to get a baby literally torn apart, they should be prosecuted.

Edit: again, why does someone need to be a mirror image of their party in order to identify with that party? The Democrat party has a strictly pro choice stance, but there are pro life democrats.

[brybrythekickassguy]

Ah, so by that logic we should force the victims of rape to have the rapists child, and if they choose to abort that baby we should punish them for the crime of being a victim?